Dr. Asad Zaman

economist and Akhuwat University professor

Compiled from 2 recorded interviews. Every statement below is drawn from the passage cited beside it.

Dr Asad Zaman is a professor of Economics at Al-Akhwah University. After his PhD, Zaman did a one-year postdoctoral position in Belgium. He then returned to the economics department at the University of Pennsylvania, where he taught for six years.

Early life and background

Zaman was born in Karachi and grew up mainly there. As a child, his family spent a year in Hawaii after an offer from the East-West Center. Before high school he attended local Pakistani schools. His father sent him to Karachi American School, and he graduated from it in 1971. [2]

Education

Zaman was at MIT at age 16. He graduated from MIT in three years with a degree in mathematics, in 1974. He then went to Stanford for his PhD, which he finished in three years. He completed the PhD in 1977, at age 22, and his research area there was econometrics, which he described as statistics combined with economics. [2]

Career

After his PhD, Zaman did a one-year postdoctoral position in Belgium. He then returned to the economics department at the University of Pennsylvania, where he taught for six years. He then moved to Columbia University in New York and also taught at Johns Hopkins and Caltech. He worked at the IMF for a short period. [1][2]

Zaman was a professor at Caltech and at Columbia University, and also at Bilkent University in Turkey. His professorships included LUMS in Pakistan and the Islamic University. He taught in the United States for about 15 years and left the USA in 1993. He says students liked him because he was good at explaining complicated things, and that his former students are now all over the world in very good positions. [1][2]

Zaman served on the Economic Advisors Council. He was Vice Chancellor of PIDE, the Pakistan Institute of Development Economics, which he calls the government's official think tank. [1][2]

Leaving the United States

Zaman says he felt like a glorified governess, teaching the children of an alien civilization in the US. He says one reason he left the US was to keep his children from being culturally assimilated. He thinks 80 to 90 percent of children growing up in the US assimilate culturally. He says he chose not to sacrifice the Akhirat of his children, calling it a very bad trade-off. [2]

Zaman says pursuing pleasure as his goal left him intensely unhappy. He says he read the Quran in California to see whether it offered guidance. He also says the goal of life is success on the Day of Judgment, not money or fame. [2]

Turkey, LUMS and the Islamic University

Zaman lived in Turkey from 1993 to 1999. He says he and his wife were accepted by both secular and religious circles there. After Turkey he taught economics at LUMS for three years, and he describes LUMS as very strongly capitalist. He accepted an offer from the Islamic University, where he felt at home. [2]

Akhuwat University and Al-Nafi

Zaman is also the Director of Uloom ul Umran, Al-Nafi Online Educational Platform. He says he plans to teach the Islamic business model at his university. He cites Akhuwat University and Edhi as examples of Islam in practice. [1][2]

Writing

Zaman has titled one of his books Islamic Economics: The Polar Opposite of Capitalist Economics. He has also written a recent paper on reconceiving microeconomics and macroeconomics. [1]

Views on Islamic economics and capitalism

Zaman argues that most Islamic economists treat Islamic economics as a branch of capitalism. He argues that Islamic economics is very different from capitalism in all respects. He says the Islamic economic system is right now just a dream and does not exist anywhere in the world. He says capitalism, communism and socialism are all one in terms of assessing material prosperity. [1][2]

Zaman argues that the capitalist system is built on greed, individualism, hedonism and the pursuit of power and profit, while Islamic society is built on generosity and cooperation, not competition. He argues that capitalism treats people as human resources, not human beings, and that the labour market needs interchangeable parts that can be swapped in and out. He says capitalism depends on an exploitable labor force, so poverty is essential to it. He also says there is no real scarcity, because there is enough food to feed everyone on the planet. [1][2]

Zaman says that in capitalism people sell their time and their life for money, and he argues that in Islam people are too precious to be bought and sold on the market. He says that in the West a person's value is measured by the money they can earn. He says the Islamic conception of society is a brotherhood, one body whose every part feels the pain of the others, and the capitalist conception is a jungle of survival of the fittest. [1][2]

Views on society, the state and history

Zaman argues that the basic unit of Islamic economics is the community organized around the masjid. He argues that Islamic macroeconomics would operate at the level of the ummah, not the nation, and that nation states were created deliberately to divide the ummah. He argues that large corporations now dominate nations and dictate their policies. [1]

Zaman cites a book called The Impossible State, and a book called The Great Transformation on the historical and political origins of the current system. He argues that after religious wars, Europe built a secular society that excluded God, and that without God, natural law becomes the law of the jungle and survival of the fittest. He says Islam holds strength is given to protect the poor, not to exploit them. He says the shift from traditional to capitalist society came through a battle that tradition lost. [1]

Zaman says a prayer is not acceptable if a person has money while a neighbour sleeps hungry. He says neighbours in the masjid can pray side by side for years without knowing each other's names, and that in urban areas most people do not know their neighbours' names. He says the masjid was meant to be a social centre where neighbourhood problems were solved. He says farz-e-kifaya does not mean that the government will look after a neighbourhood, but that whoever is on the spot is responsible. [1]

Zaman says if everyone looks after the ten houses on either side, that will make a difference. He says change should start neighbourhood by neighbourhood, community by community. He says an Islamic economy cannot start at government level because government is too embedded in the global capitalist system. He says Islam tells people to work at the level where they can be effective. [1]

Views on the Islamic firm and Islamic finance

Zaman says an Islamic firm earns profit in order to provide service, while a capitalist firm provides service in order to earn profit. He says an Islamic firm would try to maximise the number of people it can feed. He describes an Islamic business model in which workers are equal partners in producing the service and sharing its reward. He says that in his model workers are paid according to their needs as part of their effort, and that the first step toward an Islamic firm is dignity of labour. [1]

Zaman says Islamic finance has three financial rules. He says there should be no interest, no gharar, and no trading of debt. He argues that any one of the three rules would have prevented the 2007 global financial crisis. He says Islamic finance is often treated as charity. [1]

Zaman cites Indus Hospital as an example of Islamic economics, and says it runs with no treasury or cashier and treats everyone. He cites zero-interest microfinance as an example of Islam in practice. He says Islam is built on trust and human relationships. [1]

Views on generations of Islamic economists

Zaman says the first generation of Islamic economists were revolutionaries fighting capitalism, communism and socialism. He says governments proved too strongly entrenched, and none of these revolutions succeeded. He says about 90% of the world was colonised, including the Islamic world. [1]

Zaman says second-generation Islamic economists took PhDs in economics and came to see capitalism as the only system. He says there was a conference on Islamic economics in Mecca around the mid-1970s. He says the second generation chose to Islamize capitalism because governments could not be captured, and that it achieved nothing in the roughly 50 years from the mid-1970s. [1]

Zaman says a third generation of Islamic economists is emerging and working within current conditions. He says the third generation is building self-sufficient local communities. [1]

Views on money, currency and technology

Zaman says an Islamic currency could be designed along the lines of BRICS. He argues there is no natural trading system, so financial systems must be designed. He cites the book The Battle of Bretton Woods, and says Keynes had an alternative design that did not put the dollar at the centre. He argues that the key factor for a currency is how self-sufficient the country is. [1]

Zaman says simple lifestyles are essential for self-sufficiency. He says a self-sufficient system would not starve if the exchange rate jumps. He says modern money came into existence in 1971, when Nixon delinked the dollar from gold, and that modern monetary theory describes the correct nature of modern money. He says gold was not very widely used as a currency, contrary to common belief, and that a fixed money supply cannot keep up with the needs of a growing economy. [1][2]

Zaman says the one requirement for government money creation is that it funds productive jobs. He says central banks should increase the money stock at exactly the same pace as economic growth. He says Keynesian economics was dominant from about 1930 to 1980, before the Reagan-Thatcher revolution. He says inflation is due to class conflict and calls it a concealed weapon, and that producers raise prices to make bigger profits. [2]

Zaman says he told people before the crypto bust that crypto was a Ponzi scheme and a pump and dump scheme. He says the fundamentals of crypto are a secure, democratized and finite form of currency, and that the main defect of crypto is that it has no anchor tying its value to a fixed amount. He says the skills to create crypto are concentrated in Russia and some other places, not widespread in the Islamic world. He says crypto that substitutes for human trust would be harmful to the cause, and that technology that substitutes for character is harmful. He says technology can play a useful supplementary role if used carefully. [1][2]

Views on education and knowledge

Zaman says Western education teaches that all knowledge has been produced by the West. He says the West defined knowledge as coming only from observation and logic. He says madrasas teach traditional Islamic sciences but not how they apply to the modern world. He says some people are too Islamic and reject science, while scientists reject philosophy. [2]

Zaman says his aim is to show that the Quran's knowledge can solve modern problems, though for now this is a claim without evidence. He says a school that teaches people to become better human beings would struggle to attract students. He says economic theory taught in universities is a propaganda instrument for capitalism. He says he has spent a lifetime as a teacher trying to get students to aim to change the world. [2]

Views on Pakistan

Zaman says Pakistan's elites have a different economy from the masses, and do not care whether the masses starve, as long as they get luxury goods. He says Pakistan has a colonial economy that extracts money from the masses instead of developing them. He says the current system is neo-colonialist, and that the party that comes to power has a pump for extracting money. He says the biggest problem in Pakistan is that everyone is in the game for only two or three years. [1][2]

Zaman says China has one party, the Communist Party, which will stay in control for the foreseeable future, so it can plan long term. He says Malaysia was fully reformed under one president who ruled for 27 years. He says democracy devolves power so that change needs the buy-in of everyone. He says he does not see an easy end to Pakistan's political turbulence, and that he sees no end to the political machinations in Pakistan. He says Pakistan's situation is nothing like Bangladesh's, so nothing similar can be expected. [1][2]

Zaman says Pakistan bought 60 billion dollars of imports and sold 30 billion dollars of exports. He says the solution to Pakistan's economic crisis is to reduce imports, and that the two biggest parts of Pakistan's import bill are energy and agriculture products. He says Pakistan could be self-sufficient in agriculture if the problems in its agriculture sector were fixed. He says Iran is ready to sell Pakistan cheap energy, but big powers will not let Pakistan buy it, and that OGDC has schemes to make Pakistan energy self-sufficient in three to five years. [2]

Zaman argues that the focus on exports and FDI is inherently against development. He says Pakistan's economy is built on selling its population's wheat and rice to foreigners for dollars, so the elite can buy luxury goods. He says a plan for agricultural self-sufficiency would never sell to the upper class, because it would cut their lifestyle. He says the future of Pakistan depends on what its people do, and that the one Islamic principle that would solve the crisis is that all children in Pakistan are his children. [2]

Views on Islam and the modern world

Zaman says Islam cannot be reduced to a few characteristics. He says the level of charity given by Muslims in proportion to their income is the biggest in the world. He says the leadership and system of Islamic countries have nothing to do with Islam, and that non-Muslim countries may uphold some Islamic financial ideals better than Muslim countries. [1]

Zaman says the question for individuals is what they can do, not what the world will become. He says the priority now is to prepare for the climate crisis, and that people should live in rural communities close to the earth, with simple lifestyles. He advises people not to try to change the system, but to change their neighbourhood and lifestyle. He advises a simpler lifestyle with less consumption, production and labour, so people have time for relationships. [1]

Zaman says many people work from day to night and have no time for friends and family. He argues the need for personal surplus is vastly reduced in an Islamic society built on social relationships. He advises individuals to look inward to get through the turbulence. [1]

Personal life and reflections

Zaman says he learned about Zen Buddhism and joined some encounter groups. He says there was no social life and he devoted himself to his studies. He says he was very interested in becoming American and did not care much for Pakistanis. He says MIT encouraged him to become more of an introvert, and that he later realised he was unable to relate to people and saw this as a big deficiency. [2]

Zaman says his perception has changed a lot since he was young. He says students did not come to him for personal advice. He has given a talk about his experiences at MIT. [2]

Timeline

1971
Graduated from Karachi American School.[2]
1974
Graduated from MIT with a degree in mathematics.[2]
1977
Completed his PhD at Stanford.[2]
1993
Left the United States.[2]
1993 to 1999
Lived in Turkey.[2]

Appearances

DateTitleWhere
2024-08-23 Islamic economics is the polar opposite of capitalism Thought Behind Things
2023-05-08 Why Islamic economics is neither capitalism nor communism Thought Behind Things

Frequently asked questions

What does Dr Asad Zaman do?

Dr Asad Zaman is a professor at Akhuwat University and the Director of Uloom ul Umran, Al-Nafi Online Educational Platform. He has written books, most recently Islamic Economics: A Survey of the Literature.[1][2]

Where did Dr Asad Zaman study?

Dr Asad Zaman graduated from Karachi American School in 1971. He then graduated from MIT in 1974 with a degree in mathematics. He completed his PhD at Stanford in 1977.[2]

Where is Dr Asad Zaman from?

Dr Asad Zaman was born in Karachi and grew up mainly there. As a child, his family spent a year in Hawaii after an offer from the East-West Center.[2]

Which universities has Dr Asad Zaman taught at?

Dr Asad Zaman taught at the University of Pennsylvania for six years. He also taught at Columbia University, Johns Hopkins and Caltech, and was a professor at Bilkent University in Turkey. In Pakistan he taught economics at LUMS for three years.[1][2]

Did Dr Asad Zaman live in Turkey?

Dr Asad Zaman lived in Turkey from 1993 to 1999. He says he and his wife were accepted by both secular and religious circles there.[2]

References

  1. Islamic economics is the polar opposite of capitalism . Thought Behind Things , 2024-08-23.
  2. Why Islamic economics is neither capitalism nor communism . Thought Behind Things , 2023-05-08.
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  1. He studied mathematics as an undergraduate at MIT. he did his bachelors in mathematics at MIT
  2. He completed master's and PhD degrees in statistics and economics at Stanford University. unhone masters aur PhD apna statistics aur economics mein Stanford University se kiya
  3. He worked at the IMF for a short period. Uske baad phir unhone thoda arsa IMF mein kaam kiya
  4. Asad Zaman is a professor at Akhuwat University. Asad Zaman is a professor at Akhuwat University.
  5. He was a professor at Caltech and at Columbia University. Then he was a professor at Caltech, Columbia University
  6. He was a professor at Bilkent University in Turkey. John Hopkins University, Bilkent University in Turkey
  7. He was a professor at LUMS in Pakistan and at the Islamic University. LUMS in Pakistan and then Islamic University
  8. He was Vice Chancellor of PIDE, the Pakistan Institute of Development Economics. He was also the Vice Chancellor of PIDE, Pakistan Institute of Development Economics
  9. He has written books, most recently Islamic Economics: A Survey of the Literature. He has written a couple of books as well, most recently Islamic Economics: A Survey of the Literature
  10. His book is titled Islamic Economics: The Polar Opposite of Capitalist Economics. Meri kitaab hai on Amazon, jiska title hai Islamic Economics: The Polar Opposite of Capitalist Economics
  11. He argues that most Islamic economists treat Islamic economics as a branch of capitalism. the vast majority of Islamic economists believe that Islamic economics is a branch of capitalism
  12. He argues that Islamic economics is very different from capitalism in all respects. Islamic economics is very different in all respects and nothing like remotely similar to it currently exists on the planet
  13. He has written a recent paper on reconceiving microeconomics and macroeconomics. I have recently written a paper on this topic and one of the, you know, the starting point is to reconceive the idea of microeconomics and macroeconomics
  14. He argues that capitalism treats people as human resources, not human beings. capitalism requires human resources, not human beings
  15. He argues that the labour market needs interchangeable parts that can be swapped in and out. the labor market requires interchangeable parts which can be swapped in and out
  16. He argues that the basic unit of Islamic economics is the community organized around the masjid. the central micro unit is the community, the neighborhood community, organized around the masjid
  17. He argues that Islamic macroeconomics would operate at the level of the ummah, not the nation. macroeconomics would be at the level of the ummah, the entire collection of the Muslims, not at the nation level
  18. He argues that nation states were created deliberately to divide the ummah. the nations have been created deliberately to divide the ummah
  19. He cites a book called The Impossible State. there is a book by Waleed Hallaq called The Impossible State
  20. He argues that large corporations now dominate nations and dictate their policies. large corporations which are dominating the nations and dictating policies around the world
  21. He cites a book called The Great Transformation on the historical and political origins of the current system. Carl Polanyi's book called The Great Transformation, the historical and political origins of our current system
  22. He argues that after religious wars, Europe built a secular society that excluded God. due to religious wars, people said that no, we can't use religion as a basis to build society, so let's build a secular society excluding the idea of God and judgment
  23. He argues that without God, natural law becomes the law of the jungle and survival of the fittest. And so the natural law is the law of the jungle. The one who is stronger will control the one who is poor and so survival of the fittest is the only ethics
  24. He argues that Islam holds strength is given to protect the poor, not to exploit them. It says that strength has been given to you not so that you can exploit the poor, but so that you can protect the poor
  25. He argues that the capitalist system is built on greed, individualism, hedonism and the pursuit of power and profit. the capitalist system is built on greed, greed, individualism, hedonism, pursuit of pleasure, power and profits
  26. He argues that Islamic society is built on generosity and cooperation, not competition. Islamic society is built on generosity, it's built on cooperation, not competition
  27. He says a prayer is not acceptable if a person has money while a neighbour sleeps hungry. your prayer is not acceptable if you have money and your neighbor sleeps hungry
  28. He says neighbours in the masjid can pray side by side for years without knowing each other's names. We people play pray in the masjid side by side and don't know each other's name for 10 years
  29. He says the masjid was meant to be a social centre where neighbourhood problems were solved. Masjid was meant as a social center, a place where we would know of the problems of everyone in the neighborhood
  30. He says that in urban areas most people do not know their neighbours' names. in the urban areas, most people don't know the names of their neighbors
  31. He says farz-e-kifaya does not mean that the government will look after a neighbourhood, but that whoever is on the spot is responsible. farz-e-kifaya doesn't mean ke government aake dekhegi hamare mohalle ko, balkay whoever is on the spot, it is his responsibility
  32. He says if everyone looks after the ten houses on either side, that will make a difference. if everybody looks after 10 houses to the right and the left, that will make a difference
  33. He says change should start neighbourhood by neighbourhood, community by community. So basically the meaning is that we need to work neighborhood by neighborhood, community by community
  34. He says an Islamic economy cannot start at government level because government is too embedded in the global capitalist system. since we cannot start at the level of the government because that's too deeply embedded in the global capitalist system
  35. He says Islam tells people to work at the level where they can be effective. Islam tells us to work at the level where you can be effective
  36. He says an Islamic firm earns profit in order to provide service, while a capitalist firm provides service in order to earn profit. Islamic firm earns profits in order to provide service and a capitalist firm provides service in order to earn profits
  37. He says an Islamic firm would try to maximise the number of people it can feed. We are going to try to maximize the number of people we can feed
  38. He says that in capitalism people sell their time and their life for money. you sell your time and you uh sell your life in return for money
  39. He argues that in Islam people are too precious to be bought and sold on the market. humans beings are too precious to be bought and sold on the market
  40. He describes an Islamic business model in which workers are equal partners in producing the service and sharing its reward. equal partners in the production of service and equal partners in the share of the reward
  41. He says he plans to teach the Islamic business model at his university. which we are planning to teach at our university
  42. He says that in his model workers are paid according to their needs as part of their effort. You are being paid for according to your needs as a part of the effort
  43. He says the first step toward an Islamic firm is dignity of labour. the first step in a move towards an Islamic firm would be to have dignity of labor
  44. He says Islamic finance has three financial rules. Islam mein teen financial rules hain
  45. He says Islamic finance should have no interest. Ek to yeh hai ke um no interest
  46. He says there should be no gharar. Ek yeh hai ke gharar nahi hona chahiye
  47. He says there should be no trading of debt. there is no trading of debt
  48. He argues that any one of the three rules would have prevented the 2007 global financial crisis. Any one of those rules would have prevented 2007 global financial crisis
  49. He says the first generation of Islamic economists were revolutionaries fighting capitalism, communism and socialism. They were fighting against a world in which there was capitalism and communism and socialism
  50. He says second-generation Islamic economists took PhDs in economics and came to see capitalism as the only system. they all went and did their PhDs in economics and they became brainwashed into thinking that this is the only system
  51. He says the second generation of Islamic economics achieved nothing in the roughly 50 years from the mid-1970s. the second generation of Islamic economics, say the mid 70s to about 50 years, zero accomplishment
  52. He says there was a conference on Islamic economics in Mecca around the mid-1970s. around the mid 70s, there was a conference on Islamic economics in Mecca
  53. He says the second generation chose to Islamize capitalism because governments could not be captured. We cannot um capture governments. So let's try to Islamize capitalism
  54. He says governments proved too strongly entrenched, and none of these revolutions succeeded. these government are too strongly entrenched except for a few occasional exceptions here and there, none of these revolutions succeeded
  55. He says about 90% of the world was colonised, including the Islamic world. about 90% of the world uh was colonized including the Islamic world
  56. He says a third generation of Islamic economists is emerging and working within current conditions. nowadays we are seeing the emergence of a third generation
  57. He says the third generation is building self-sufficient local communities. So building up local communities which are self-sufficient
  58. He cites Indus Hospital as an example of Islamic economics. If we look at Indus Hospital, that's Islamic economics
  59. He says Indus Hospital runs with no treasury or cashier and treats everyone. There is no treasury, no cashier and everybody gets treatment
  60. He cites Akhuwat University and Edhi as examples of Islam in practice. Edhi is Islam. Akhuwat University is Islam
  61. He cites zero-interest microfinance as an example of Islam in practice. Microfinance at zero interest, this is Islam
  62. He says Islam is built on trust and human relationships. Islam builds is built on trust and human relationships
  63. He says crypto that substitutes for human trust would be harmful to the cause. if the crypto is a substitute for human trust, then it is actually harmful to the cause
  64. He says technology that substitutes for character is harmful. if technology substitutes for character, then it's harmful
  65. He says technology can play a useful supplementary role if used carefully. then it can play a useful supplementary role
  66. He says Islamic finance is often treated as charity. more often than not we relegate Islamic finance to charity
  67. He says an Islamic currency could be designed along the lines of BRICS. one can design an Islamic currency along the lines of BRICS
  68. He argues there is no natural trading system, so financial systems must be designed. There is no natural trading system. You have to design it.
  69. He cites the book The Battle of Bretton Woods. ek kitab hai jiska naam hai The Battle of Bretton Woods
  70. He says Keynes had an alternative design that did not put the dollar at the centre. Keynes had an alternative design which did not put dollar at the center
  71. He argues that the key factor for a currency is how self-sufficient the country is. Actually it has a lot to do with how much self-sufficiency we have
  72. He says simple lifestyles are essential for self-sufficiency. For self-sufficiency, what is essential is we have simple lifestyles which Islam recommends
  73. He says a self-sufficient system would not starve if the exchange rate jumps. nobody will starve if if our exchange rate suddenly jumps
  74. He says Pakistan's elites have a different economy from the masses. the elites have a different economy from that of the masses
  75. He says Pakistan's elites do not care whether the masses starve, as long as they get luxury goods. So they don't really care if the masses are starving as long as they are getting their luxury goods
  76. He says Islam cannot be reduced to a few characteristics. Yani Islam is not uh reducible to uh a few characteristics
  77. He says the level of charity given by Muslims in proportion to their income is the biggest in the world. the level of charity given by Muslims uh in proportion to their income is the biggest in the world
  78. He says the leadership and system of Islamic countries have nothing to do with Islam. the leadership and the system uh in place in Islamic countries has nothing to do with Islam
  79. He says non-Muslim countries may uphold some Islamic financial ideals better than Muslim countries. it is certainly possible that non-Muslim countries are doing much better in terms of upholding certain Islamic ideals than Muslim countries
  80. He says the question for individuals is what they can do, not what the world will become. the question is not what the condition of the world will be, question is what can I do
  81. He says he does not see an easy end to Pakistan's political turbulence. I don't see any easy ending
  82. He says he sees no end to the political machinations in Pakistan. these uh political machinations, I don't see any end for them
  83. He says Pakistan's situation is nothing like Bangladesh's, so nothing similar can be expected. Pakistan situation is nothing like that and so nothing similar can be expected
  84. He says the priority now is to prepare for the climate crisis. the thing to be doing at this time is to be prepared for the climate crisis
  85. He says people should live in rural communities close to the earth, with simple lifestyles. We should be living in rural communities, close to the earth, simple lifestyles
  86. He advises people not to try to change the system, but to change their neighbourhood and lifestyle. don't try to change the system. We tried it and we failed for many decades
  87. He advises a simpler lifestyle with less consumption, production and labour, so people have time for relationships. don't consume as much, don't produce as much, don't labor as much and then you will have time to build social relationships
  88. He says many people work from day to night and have no time for friends and family. people are working from day to night and they don't have time for friends and family
  89. He argues the need for personal surplus is vastly reduced in an Islamic society built on social relationships. the need for surplus uh is vastly reduced in an Islamic society which is built on social relationship
  90. He says the shift from traditional to capitalist society came through a battle that tradition lost. there was a battle between the traditional society and the capitalist society and and uh tradition lost and capitalist won
  91. He says the Islamic conception of society is a brotherhood, one body whose every part feels the pain of the others. Islamic conception of society is as a brotherhood where uh it's one body and every part feels the pain of the other
  92. He says the capitalist conception of society is a jungle of survival of the fittest. the capitalist conception of society is that of a jungle with survival of the fittest
  93. He advises individuals to look inward to get through the turbulence. if they want to um you know, survive through a lot of these this turbulence, they have to look a lot more inwards
  94. Dr Asad Zaman was born in Karachi. Karachi mein paida hua, wahin pala bada
  95. As a child, his family spent a year in Hawaii after an offer from the East-West Center. Hawaii East-West Center se ek offer mila toh hum log ne ek saal Hawaii mein guzara
  96. He grew up mainly in Karachi. magar basically Karachi mein hum pale badhe
  97. Before high school he attended local Pakistani schools. before high school I was in Pakistani local schools
  98. His father sent him to Karachi American School. Karachi American School mein abba ne bheja kyunki Hawaii jaane se abba bahut impress hue
  99. He graduated from KAS in 1971. It was 1971 I graduated from KAS.
  100. He was at MIT at age 16. I was at MIT at age of 16.
  101. He graduated from MIT in three years with a degree in mathematics. I graduated from MIT in three years in mathematics
  102. He graduated from MIT in 1974. In 74 exactly. Then I went to Stanford for my PhD.
  103. He then went to Stanford for his PhD, which he finished in three years. Then I went to Stanford for my PhD. Right. And also I finished that in three years.
  104. He completed his PhD at Stanford in 1977, at age 22. So by 77 you were done with your PhD. Yes. At the age of 22
  105. His research area at Stanford was econometrics, which he described as statistics combined with economics. Econometrics maine kiya tha. Achha. That's statistics combined with economics.
  106. He says he learned about Zen Buddhism and joined some encounter groups. I was participated in those some of those experiments. Zen Buddhism ke baare mein seekha, kuch encounter groups ki.
  107. He says there was no social life and he devoted himself to his studies. there was no social life so I was just devoted to my studies
  108. He says he was very interested in becoming American and did not care much for Pakistanis. I was actually very interested in becoming American toh I didn't really care much for Pakistani
  109. He says MIT encouraged him to become more of an introvert. actually MIT encouraged me in the opposite direction to become more of an introvert
  110. He says he later realised he was unable to relate to people and saw this as a big deficiency. later on I realized this was a big deficiency. I was unable to relate to people.
  111. After his PhD he did a one-year postdoctoral position in Belgium. Ek saal maine ek post-doctoral kiya Belgium mein University Catholic de Louvain.
  112. He then returned to the economics department at the University of Pennsylvania. Uske baad I came back to University of Pennsylvania, economics department which is one of the top 10 departments.
  113. He taught at the University of Pennsylvania for six years. Pennsylvania mein maine 6 saal padhaya
  114. He then moved to Columbia University in New York and also taught at Johns Hopkins and Caltech. I moved to Columbia University that's in New York. And I also taught at Johns Hopkins and Caltech.
  115. He says students liked him because he was good at explaining complicated things. students actually liked me because I was good at explaining complicated things
  116. He says his former students are now all over the world in very good positions. So my students actually at this time are all over the world and situated in very good positions.
  117. He taught in the United States for about 15 years and left the USA in 1993. Taqreeban 15 saal hoga. I think I was out in 78 and then I left the USA in 1993.
  118. He says he felt like a glorified governess, teaching the children of an alien civilization in the US. I am just a glorified governess. I am very highly paid to teach children of an alien civilization
  119. He says one reason he left the US was to keep his children from being culturally assimilated. I have to do homeschooling or fairly intensive efforts to make sure that they don't get assimilated culturally into the USA
  120. He thinks 80 to 90 percent of children growing up in the US assimilate culturally. don't get assimilated culturally into the USA which I think 80-90% of the children who are growing up there do
  121. He says pursuing pleasure as his goal left him intensely unhappy. this had not brought me pleasure and it had made me intensely unhappy
  122. He says he read the Quran in California to see whether it offered guidance. ek Quran bhi maine padha ke dekhte hain ke ismein koi rehnumai hai ke nahi
  123. He says he chose not to sacrifice the Akhirat of his children, calling it a very bad trade-off. sacrificing the Akhirat of your children and this is a really very bad trade-off. So I said ke theek hai I don't choose to make this trade-off
  124. He says the goal of life is success on the Day of Judgment, not money or fame. the goal of life is not to earn money and to become famous and to achieve goals but the goal of life is to achieve success of the day of judgment
  125. He lived in Turkey from 1993 to 1999. Turkey was very interesting in the time I went uh 93 to 99 which is six years I stayed there.
  126. He says he and his wife were accepted by both secular and religious circles in Turkey. we were accepted by the secular people and uh uh we were also very well welcome in the religious circles
  127. After Turkey he taught economics at LUMS for three years. Teen saal ke liye maine LUMS mein padhaya. Um economics hi padha rahe the aap yahan? Haan, economics mein.
  128. He describes LUMS as very strongly capitalist. but basically it's very strongly capitalist
  129. He accepted an offer from the Islamic University, where he felt at home. eventually received an offer from Islamic University and I accepted. And there I felt at home
  130. He says Western education teaches that all knowledge has been produced by the West. you learn that all knowledge has been produced by the West
  131. He says madrasas teach traditional Islamic sciences but not how they apply to the modern world. It teaches you the traditional uloom but it doesn't teach you how these uloom apply to the modern world
  132. He says his aim is to show that the Quran's knowledge can solve modern problems, though for now this is a claim without evidence. the uloom that have been given to us in the form of the Quran can be used to solve uh modern problems and in a much better way than anything that the West has been able to provide. Magar this is at the moment this is just a claim without uh evidence
  133. He says the West defined knowledge as coming only from observation and logic. knowledge only comes from observations and logic and knowledge real knowledge is only of science
  134. He says that in the West a person's value is measured by the money they can earn. The value of a man is according to the amount of money he can earn.
  135. He says a school that teaches people to become better human beings would struggle to attract students. if you say ke I'll teach people how to become better human beings, no one will send you children to your school
  136. He says the Islamic economic system is right now just a dream and does not exist anywhere in the world. the Islamic economic system is right now just a dream. Uh It doesn't exist. Doesn't exist currently anywhere in the world
  137. He says capitalism, communism and socialism are all one in terms of assessing material prosperity. But I think neither is right, yani basically capitalism, communism, socialism, they are all one in terms of assessing uh material prosperity
  138. He says capitalism is built on competition, individualism, greed and hedonism. capitalism is built on competition and individualism and greed and hedonism
  139. He says Islam is based on generosity, cooperation, community and social responsibility. But uh Islam is based on generosity, cooperation, community, social responsibility
  140. He says the one Islamic principle that would solve the crisis is that all children in Pakistan are his children. I say that there is just one Islamic principle which will solve the crisis. And that is all of the children in Pakistan are my children
  141. He says capitalism depends on an exploitable labor force, so poverty is essential to it. capitalism depends on having a labor force which can be exploited. Therefore, poverty is essential to the survival of capitalism
  142. He says Keynesian economics was dominant from about 1930 to 1980, before the Reagan-Thatcher revolution. There was a period from 1930 to about 1980 before the Reagan-Thatcher revolution where Keynesian economics was dominant
  143. He says there is no real scarcity, because there is enough food to feed everyone on the planet. There is no scarcity. In the sense ke right now there is enough food to feed everybody on the planet
  144. He says the biggest problem in Pakistan is that everyone is in the game for only two or three years. The biggest problem in Pakistan is ke everyone is in in the game for only two, three years
  145. He says China has one party, the Communist Party, which will stay in control for the foreseeable future, so it can plan long term. there is one party, the Communist Party and it is in control and it will remain in control for the foreseeable future. So they can do long-range planning
  146. He served on the Economic Advisors Council. I was on the Economic Advisors Council
  147. He was Vice Chancellor of the Pakistan Institute of Development Economics, which he calls the government's official think tank. Pakistan Institute of Development Economics ka Vice Chancellor tha main. The official think tank of the government.
  148. He says democracy devolves power so that change needs the buy-in of everyone. let's devolve power so that when the change comes, you have to have the buy-in of everyone for the change to happen in the first place
  149. He says Malaysia was fully reformed under one president who ruled for 27 years. Malaysia nikla 27 years ek president unka reh kar gaya aur usne poora ka poora reform kiya
  150. He says Pakistan has a colonial economy that extracts money from the masses instead of developing them. It is a machine to extract money from the masses. It is not a machine to develop the masses
  151. He says the current system is neo-colonialist, and that the party that comes to power has a pump for extracting money. basically the current system is neo-colonialist. Is waqt jo hai woh the party which comes in power, we have a pump for extracting money
  152. He says some people are too Islamic and reject science, while scientists reject philosophy. the Islamic is too Islamic and they don't they reject the science and the scientist is too scientist and they reject the philosophy
  153. He says the future of Pakistan depends on what its people do. To what the future will be is in my hands and in your hands. It will depend on what we do.
  154. He says he has spent a lifetime as a teacher trying to get students to aim to change the world. I've spent a lifetime as a teacher, to get my students to aim for the world, to aim to change the world
  155. Asad Zaman is the Director of Uloom ul Umran, Al-Nafi Online Educational Platform. Dr. Asad Zaman is the Director Uloom ul Umran, Al-Nafi Online Educational Platform.
  156. He says economic theory taught in universities is a propaganda instrument for capitalism. economic theory as it is taught in universities all around the world is basically a propaganda instrument for capitalism
  157. He says inflation is due to class conflict and calls it a concealed weapon. So it's actually inflation is due to class conflict and it's a concealed weapon
  158. He says producers raise prices to make bigger profits. They increase the prices to make bigger profits.
  159. He says modern money came into existence in 1971, when Nixon delinked the dollar from gold. Modern money came into existence in 1971 when Nixon delinked dollars from gold.
  160. He says modern monetary theory describes the correct nature of modern money. It describes actually the exact uh the correct nature of modern money
  161. He says he told people before the crypto bust that crypto was a Ponzi scheme and a pump and dump scheme. main logon ko keh raha tha it's a Ponzi scheme, it's it's a pump and dump scheme
  162. He says the fundamentals of crypto are a secure, democratized and finite form of currency. it is a secure, democratized um finite uh form of currency of sorts
  163. He says the skills to create crypto are concentrated in Russia and some other places, not widespread in the Islamic world. these skills are in Russia and in some other places and are not uh very widespread in the Islamic world
  164. He says the main defect of crypto is that it has no anchor tying its value to a fixed amount. crypto ke sabse bada defect yahi hai ke there is no anchor uh which ties the currency of money it stably to some fixed amount
  165. He says the one requirement for government money creation is that it funds productive jobs. there is only one requirement that the government creates money to provide jobs and productive jobs
  166. He says central banks should increase the money stock at exactly the same pace as economic growth. it's better to have central banks control money and that's what was one of their targets to increase money stock at exactly the same pace as the growth of the economy
  167. He says gold was not very widely used as a currency, contrary to common belief. gold was not very widely used gold currency uh contrary to common belief
  168. He says a fixed money supply cannot keep up with the needs of a growing economy. yeh idea ke fixed money supply, fixed money supply cannot keep up with the needs of a growing economy
  169. He recently gave a talk about his experiences at MIT. recently I gave a talk on my experiences at MIT
  170. He says his perception has changed a lot since he was young. kyunki I have changed a lot in terms of my perception
  171. He says students did not come to him for personal advice. they didn't come to me for personal advice
  172. He says Pakistan bought 60 billion dollars of imports and sold 30 billion dollars of exports. we bought 60 billion dollars of imports, 60 billion and we sold 30 billion dollars of exports
  173. He says the solution to Pakistan's economic crisis is to reduce imports. The solution is you should reduce your imports
  174. He says the two biggest parts of Pakistan's import bill are energy and agriculture products. there are two things that are the biggest parts of our import bill. One is energy and the other is agriculture products
  175. He says Pakistan could be self-sufficient in agriculture if the problems in its agriculture sector were fixed. if we straighten them out we could be self-sufficient in agriculture
  176. He says Iran is ready to sell Pakistan cheap energy, but big powers will not let Pakistan buy it. Short term mein Iran is ready to sell us cheap energy magar woh big powers will won't let us buy from them
  177. He says OGDC has schemes to make Pakistan energy self-sufficient in three to five years. Energy mein bhi yeh OGDC wale kehte hain ki there are many schemes. I have seen them myself lying on the tables how to make Pakistan energy self-sufficient in 3 to 5 years
  178. He argues that the focus on exports and FDI is inherently against development. the idea of even the idea of exports and FDI and and all of those things, this is actually inherently against development
  179. He says Pakistan's economy is built on selling its population's wheat and rice to foreigners for dollars, so the elite can buy luxury goods. What the basically our economy is built on is selling the wheat and the rice of our population to foreigners to get dollars so that our elite upper class can buy luxury goods for themselves
  180. He says a plan for agricultural self-sufficiency would never sell to the upper class, because it would cut their lifestyle. let's become agricultural self-sufficient, let's reduce our imports, this will never sell to the upper class kyunki that will mean cutting down their lifestyle