Muzamil Hasan recording a podcast with headphones and a broadcast microphone

Six years on the record. One long argument with the future.

Three shows and 500+ long-form conversations: founders, operators, and the thinkers who pressure-tested the thesis before it had a name. Long-form, unfiltered, on record.

500+
Episodes on record
638+
Hours of conversation
400+
Guests hosted
6
Years running

The latest one, just published.

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Dil ki Baat

The rupee is being held. REITs are the exit.

Muhammad Ejaz · Aug 19, 2026

The conversations people keep coming back to.

The ten most-watched Thought Behind Things conversations. Hover any card to peek inside.

The people who shaped the argument.

Founders, operators, and thinkers who have sat across the table on the record. A rolodex that is still growing.

Farooq Tirmizi
Managing Editor, Profit magazine
4 eps
Faisal Aftab
CEO and Founder, Zayn Capital
4 eps
Javed Hassan
Former Chairman, Economic Advisory Group, Pakistan; recent Senior Research Fellow, Fudan University, Shanghai, Independent
4 eps
Hashim Syed
AI Go-to-Market Lead for Startups in North America, Google
2 eps
Ghalib Hassam
Content Creator and AI/Tech Commentator, Independent
2 eps
Qanit Khalilullah
Economist and banking reform advocate, Author, Breaking the Trap of Debt, Inflation, Interest and Poverty
2 eps
Saad Farrukh
CEO, EVEE
2 eps
Ali Khizar
Economic journalist and writer, Business Recorder
2 eps
Abdul Rehman Najam
CEO and Founder, ARN Financial Advisors
2 eps
Laeeq Ahmed
Founder and CEO, Sarmaaya
2 eps
Yasir Abbas
PhD researcher and lecturer in international law, University of Manchester
2 eps
Saad Riaz
Co-founder, Kickstart
2 eps

Showing 12 of 400+ guests over six years. The full atlas grows as the archive indexes.

I started recording these because the conversations I was already having in private felt more important than anything I was reading in public. Six years later, the archive is the thesis.

Muzamil Hasan, on why Thought Behind Things exists.

First episode
2018
Avg. length
76 min
Region rank
#1 in Pakistan
Languages
Urdu · English

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