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Thought Behind Things · Sep 20, 2023 · 1:32:11

What a live energy reading found inside Muzamil

Muzamil hands the microphone to an energy reader and asks to be read on camera. Muhammad Ammad walks his unconscious for ninety minutes — surfacing a fear of failing as a provider, a wound around being misunderstood, and a shift toward submission that Muzamil says nobody outside his marriage knew about.

with Muhammad Ammad

10 min read

A skeptic agrees to be the subject

Muzamil opens the three hundred and sixty-sixth episode by admitting something unusual for him. He is, by his own account, a logical person who has spent most of his life looking at the spiritual world through a cynical lens. But he has recently started to take it seriously, and rather than interview a healer about what they do, he decides to become the experiment. He invites Muhammad Ammad — a spiritual healer, energy reader and intuitive channeler — to run a live energy reading on him, the same kind of one-on-one session most people take privately.

The format is the whole point. Muzamil explains that when he read what practitioners like Ammad say online, it struck him as random and impossible for an ordinary listener to connect with. So instead of asking Ammad to describe the work, he asks Ammad to do it, on him, for the first hour. The reader connects with what he calls Muzamil’s soul or unconscious and answers a question Muzamil frames himself. By the end, Muzamil tells the audience the session named feelings he had only ever discussed with his wife — things with no trail on the internet to hack. “So if in a way I could potentially say I’ve become a believer,” he says, and leaves the sentence there.

Framing the question and entering the heart

Ammad does not start with answers. He asks Muzamil to frame a single question that will guide where they go in his unconscious, and gives an example — what areas of my inner world can you highlight that would let me connect with myself or feel some reassurance about the work I’ve been doing.

Muzamil’s actual question is more precise and more vulnerable. He says he has had a shift in reality recently after years of a static one, and that the shift has brought fear with it. For a long time he was strong; now he has, in his words, almost forgotten how to sit with the unknown and find strength in it. So he asks: what part of my personality is nourishing that fear and making me uneasy? Ammad calls it a beautiful question and takes it as the starting point.

The reading begins with a short grounding meditation — hands on knees, eyes closed, a comforting place in nature, slow breaths with the exhale longer than the inhale, awareness brought down into the spiritual heart, the qalb. Ammad asks Muzamil to silently give permission to connect. When it is over, he notes how quickly Muzamil centred himself and reads it as a sign that Muzamil has recently started meditating. Then he asks Muzamil only to receive what comes, not to analyse it, and that they will unpack it together afterward.

From warrior mode to letting go

The first thing Ammad surfaces is recent, not deep. He sees Muzamil’s nervous system badly overwhelmed — an image of a person collapsed in prostration, head in hands, because it has all become too much. And then, in that posture, a sudden shift: an explosion of faith. A prayer that arrives on its own, a plea to be taken over, carried not by words but by the pain itself. With it comes tawakkul — submission, trust — the moment of releasing the rope you have been clinging to and falling on purpose. After the letting-go comes silence, and not the usual silence where Muzamil looks calm but churns inside. This time he is quiet outside and quiet within, and he can breathe again.

Ammad reads this as the retirement of a role. The “warrior” mode — the one that responds to every chaos, takes pride in navigating it, stays up for days when the body protests — has carried Muzamil far and is no longer serving where he now is. The body, he says, has started telling him so quickly: it depletes fast now, where it used to push through. He frames it as a body asking for a reset, and the inner work as something that will make Muzamil more capable of helping others while staying focused, rather than drowning alongside their pain.

Empathy that turns into action, and the cost of it

The reading turns to empathy. Ammad describes Muzamil’s empathic faculty as unusually high, but channelled in a particular way. Some people feel another’s pain and sink into it. Muzamil, he says, is a doer — he sees pain and asks what he can do, fetches the water, takes action. Life has put him on a path that connected him to more and more people’s suffering, and his will kept answering yes, I’ll do what I can, never enough is enough.

He ties this to Muzamil’s relationships. The shift toward letting go, he suggests, can read to those closest to Muzamil as a kind of separation — where are you, come back — and they may project their own fears onto his new calm. Ammad borrows a line Muzamil mentions hearing on a Joe Rogan episode: maybe we were never meant to know so much about so many people, and our nervous systems were not built to feel the whole world’s pain in real time. He also flags the culture of glorified suffering, the instinct that if someone else is hungry you must go hungry too. The newer part of Muzamil, he says, is starting to allow abundance without guilt — I’ll feed him, but I don’t have to starve myself to deserve it.

The son as the bigger healer

The most personal turn is about Muzamil’s son. Ammad reads the fear Muzamil asked about and lands on it plainly: the primary thing nourishing it is “I can’t fail my family.” Not career, not changing the world — the love and the self-imposed responsibilities around his family, and a loneliness in carrying them that Muzamil does not even want to share.

Then he inverts the relationship. He describes Muzamil so attuned to the challenges his son might face that he is trying to solve them in advance, being too hard on himself. And he suggests that energetically the son is more of a healer for Muzamil than the other way around — a portal to the very peace and stillness Muzamil is reaching for. The boy’s existence, what happens in Muzamil when he looks at him, is offering that “everything’s going to be okay.” But Muzamil can’t fully receive it, because every time he looks at his son the ledger of what he must do for him interrupts. Ammad reads some of the son’s qualities too — clarity of thought, knowing what to do early — and credits the sense of safety Muzamil and his wife have built for letting a heart-led child’s gifts come out cleanly.

Submission, and the gap between what we think and what we believe

When the reading pauses, Muzamil reflects on the part that struck him most: the language of submission, of tawakkul, of ego death. He notes the coincidence that he recorded an episode with Talha Ahad two days earlier in which he spent twenty minutes on exactly this — a recent spiritual rebirth whose core theme is submission, using the same uncommon word.

He draws a distinction he says most people never notice. There is a gap between how you react and how you think — that one is obvious. But there is a deeper gap between what you think and what is actually inside you, and most people don’t know it exists. Two months ago, he says, he would have agreed with every right-sounding statement about faith without realising he didn’t actually believe it in his body. Real tawakkul, he now thinks, shows up physically — the muscles relax, the mind, the body, all of it connected. Ammad declines to lecture on how it arrives. He offers instead the example of Freud and catharsis: that becoming aware of your own discomfort in the presence of a witness lets it discharge, and that sometimes you become that witness for yourself.

Shadow work and the misunderstood wound

Muzamil asks his sharpest question: how do I get rid of caring what people think of me? A stranger’s two negative comments on Twitter will outweigh a thousand positive ones, and he believes this has hampered his growth.

Ammad reframes the goal through Jungian shadow work. The aim is not to make the part disappear — its vigilance is partly evolutionary, a survival instinct whose amplitude has simply spiked too high. The aim is integration: building a relationship with the parts you judge, going into their origins, sitting with them, giving the attention they are demanding, so they stop hijacking you in moments of vulnerability. Growth is measured by the magnitude dropping, not by the part ceasing to exist.

Then he notices something and congratulates Muzamil: on personal attacks, the reading shows he has already made peace, even smiling as a hypothetical insult lands. But beneath it he finds an older, more primary wound — being misunderstood — carrying a lot of unprocessed grief. His real-time advice is counterintuitive. Set the question of other people’s opinions aside, because chasing it will only loop back. The starting place is the contempt Muzamil holds for himself, which he has quietly allowed to sit there. Resolve that first; let the grief of feeling misunderstood finally be felt, before anything else.

What the unconscious wants, and what a polarised society is missing

Pushed toward a “what should I do” question about his career, Ammad reads a decision that has already formed inside Muzamil — that relationships now come first, where the past version of him let them disintegrate while chasing other things. He reads a fresh detachment from results: the effort still happens, but the outcome matters less, and meaning now comes from the intention rather than the grind. He distils Muzamil’s organic impulse to one question — how can I make this world a better place for my son — and says that when that is the premise, everything Muzamil explores carries meaning and contentment, even as his mind protests that he should be more anxious about where he is headed.

In the final stretch they zoom out. Ammad explains, as plainly as he can manage, that his work is simply love — opening his heart to a person until, in that moment, he becomes them and mirrors what is there. He names Teal Swan’s completion process and ESP as nearest reference points, and describes himself as someone in the middle, trying to bridge the psychological and the metaphysical rather than collapse into pure rationality or pure mysticism. Muzamil connects this to society. The polarisation he sees — in politics, religion, morality — he reads as endless trauma transference, people stuck in cycles of passing on wounds nobody has named. What people most need, he argues, is not another reason they are wrong but someone to sit with them and say they are understood and loved. Ammad agrees, and adds the harder truth: nobody does it, because nobody did it for the people who were supposed to. Muzamil closes the conversation around the ninety-minute mark, calling it the most unconventional episode he has driven, and curious to see what the comments make of a reading whose impact, for the person in the chair, was unmistakable.