Shahrzad Kofi & Asad Khosha
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Compiled from 1 recorded interview. Every statement below is drawn from the passage cited beside it.
Shahrzad Kofi & Asad Khosha are the civil society coordinator & chief editor of Pakistan-Afghanistan Youth Forum / Kabul Now. At about age 16, Kofi began working with a non-profit organization. The organization was originally named differently and worked for women, children and the environment.
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Early life and background
Shahrzad Kofi was born in Fayzabad city in Badakhshan. She says she is from Badakhshan but has lived in Kabul almost all her life, and her family moved to Kabul when she was about three years old. She says she is 23 years old. [1]
Kofi's mother was one of the few women who worked during the Taliban era. After the Taliban era was over, her mother moved to Kabul and started working with the UN. Kofi's father died when she was five years old. [1]
Education
Kofi attended a high school in Afghanistan where she learned Turkish. She received a scholarship to go to the United States and has studied there. [1]
Career of Shahrzad Kofi
At about age 16, Kofi began working with a non-profit organization. The organization was originally named differently and worked for women, children and the environment. After turning 18, Kofi became its director, and it was renamed. The organization works on peace building and economic opportunities for women. [1]
Kofi has also worked as an intern with the Ministry of Foreign Affairs. She says she and her colleagues were thinking of gathering youth from different Afghan provinces. The planned program would talk to youth about the peace process and their own definition of peace. Kofi says the plan could later include an exchange program to Pakistan. [1]
Views of Kofi on the Taliban and women
Kofi says women could not go to school or work under Taliban rule, and that they had more opportunities for work and politics after the Taliban era. She says women in Afghanistan are less privileged than women in other parts of the world. She says Taliban in her province have set rules that stop women from going out alone. She also says a woman can move alone in Kabul but not in provinces controlled by the Taliban. [1]
Kofi says one group of Taliban is now civil and accepts a government where women are involved. She says some people support the Taliban because it serves their interests. She says police in Badakhshan handed over their arms and left without fighting, out of fear of bloodshed. She says the Taliban are taking over many provinces. In her account, after the withdrawal the Taliban came to believe they could win through fighting because there was no international support. [1]
Kofi says she hopes Afghanistan does not return to how it was before 2001. She says the situation may potentially lead to civil war. Her best-case scenario is an interim government followed by a government that includes everyone, and her worst case is that Afghanistan goes back to where it was. She says she personally does not want more intervention from the US or other international communities in Afghanistan. [1]
Views of Kofi on society and the future
Kofi says the younger generation is more open-minded than older Afghans, and that ethnicity divides the older generation. She says a main reason young Afghans join the Taliban is that they have no jobs. She sees a bright future for Afghanistan through its youth, if given the chance. She says that without war, people would be keen to start businesses, join politics and become doctors. [1]
Kofi says Afghanistan could become self-sufficient if it developed its agriculture. She describes it as a very agricultural country, rich in mines and oil. She says Afghanistan is very diverse in geography, with mountains in the north and middle. She says the border area with Pakistan is warm and green, with crops such as rice. [1]
Kofi says internet access is becoming mainstream in Afghanistan but is still expensive. She says some of her friends in Afghanistan have no internet and use cafes to do research. She says Facebook is very popular in Afghanistan because mobile data packages are small. [1]
Kofi says Afghanistan has a brain drain, with talented people unable to put their ideas into practice. She says many talented Afghans leave the country to save themselves and their families. According to Kofi, Afghans who leave go to Pakistan, Canada, European countries and Australia. She says some Afghans sell their property and make hard decisions to leave for their children's future. [1]
Views of Khosha on the Taliban and the government
Khosha says it is a challenge for the Taliban to re-establish their regime. He says the Taliban have some support in villages and provinces. He describes the Taliban as village mullahs who lack an understanding of governance. He says the Taliban distance themselves from a large part of society and from the youth. [1]
Khosha says the Taliban left the negotiating table last time without any excuse. He says the Taliban demand complete control of Afghanistan and surrender. He says pressure on the Taliban could bring them to the negotiating table and lead to a settlement. He warns that if talks fail, refugees could flow into Pakistan and war could follow. [1]
Views of Khosha on Pakistan and the region
Khosha says the war in Afghanistan is partly a war of other powers. He says Afghanistan's neighbors and regional countries can play a vital role in its peace, and that Afghanistan cannot resolve its problems unless regional countries come together. He says Pakistan, Iran, China and Russia can each play a vital role. [1]
Khosha says the image of Afghanistan in most Pakistani media is flawed. He recalls a taxi driver, on the ride from Islamabad airport, asking whether Kabul has mosques. He says there is an opportunity to correct the wrong perceptions that people have about each other. [1]
Khosha calls it a fault that Pakistan has engaged with a specific group in Afghanistan. He says Pakistan should also engage civil society, think tanks, universities and media in Afghanistan. He says many Afghans do not share the views of successive Kabul governments on issues including the Durand issue. [1]
Khosha says India has used aid and development projects in Afghanistan as a tool to influence public opinion. He says Pakistan has less investment in Afghanistan, and that Afghanistan can benefit from CPEC and the Gwadar project. He says Afghanistan is landlocked and its economy is a war economy. He says there are many opportunities in trade and regional connectivity between Afghanistan and Pakistan. [1]
Khosha says Afghanistan has friendly relations with Tajikistan, Uzbekistan and Turkmenistan. He says its relations with Iran are not very friendly but are good to a large extent. He says the Afghan government has problems with governments in Pakistan. [1]
Personal life
Kofi does not have a brother and has one sister. Her mother is part of the negotiation team in Doha. Kofi says her mother was shot in the arm, probably by the Taliban. [1]
Appearances
| Date | Title | Where |
|---|---|---|
| 2021-08-04 | Afghanistan, the Taliban, and the cost of seeing each other through state eyes | Thought Behind Things |
Frequently asked questions
Where is Shahrzad Kofi & Asad Khosha from?
Shahrzad Kofi was born in Fayzabad city in Badakhshan. She says she is from Badakhshan but has lived in Kabul almost all her life.[1]
What organization does Shahrzad Kofi & Asad Khosha lead?
Shahrzad Kofi became director of a non-profit organization after turning 18, and it was renamed. The organization works on peace building and economic opportunities for women. Asad Khosha is the chief editor of Kabul Now.[1]
What does Shahrzad Kofi & Asad Khosha say about Afghanistan's future?
Shahrzad Kofi says she sees a bright future for Afghanistan through its youth, if they are given the chance. Her best-case scenario is an interim government followed by a government that includes everyone. Asad Khosha says pressure on the Taliban could bring them to the negotiating table and lead to a settlement.[1]
References
- Afghanistan, the Taliban, and the cost of seeing each other through state eyes . Thought Behind Things , 2021-08-04.
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- Shahrzad Kofi was born in Fayzabad city in Badakhshan.
I was born in Fayzabad city of Badakhshan until I was like three years old
- Shahrzad Kofi says she is from Badakhshan but has lived in Kabul almost all her life.
No, I'm from Badakhshan, but I've lived in Kabul almost all my life.
- Shahrzad Kofi's family moved to Kabul when she was about three years old.
until I was like three years old, then we moved to Kabul because
- Shahrzad Kofi's mother was one of the few women who worked during the Taliban era.
my mom, uh, was actually one of the very few women who, uh, worked, even during the Taliban
- Shahrzad Kofi's mother moved to Kabul after the Taliban era and started working with the UN.
And then once the Taliban era was over, she moved to Kabul and she started working with the UN
- Shahrzad Kofi's father died when she was five years old.
my father passed away when I was five
- Shahrzad Kofi does not have a brother and has one sister.
and I don't have a brother. So, for my mom to be able to like, um, bring up two girls, I have another sister
- Shahrzad Kofi attended a high school in Afghanistan where she learned Turkish.
and then I joined the high school in Afghanistan, which was from Turks. So, I learned Turkish there
- Shahrzad Kofi received a scholarship to go to the United States.
then I managed to get a scholarship to go to, uh, US.
- Shahrzad Kofi has studied in the United States.
I've studied in US, and I've seen the difference between youth there and here.
- Shahrzad Kofi says she is 23 years old.
I'm 23 years old and I've lived, uh, almost all my life in Afghanistan
- Shahrzad Kofi worked as an intern with the Ministry of Foreign Affairs.
I've worked with the Ministry of Foreign Affairs as an intern
- Shahrzad Kofi recently joined the Pakistan-Afghanistan Youth Forum.
and now I've just recently joined, uh, you know, the, uh, Pakistan-Afghanistan Youth Forum
- At about age 16, Shahrzad Kofi began working with a non-profit organization.
when I was like, um, 16 years old, I started working with this non-profit organization
- The non-profit organization was originally named differently and worked for women, children and the environment.
It was originally called SSSPO. So, it worked for women, children, uh, it worked for like the environment as whole.
- After turning 18, Shahrzad Kofi became director of the non-profit organization, which was then renamed.
once I turned 18, I became the director and we changed the name to Justice for Equality
- The organization works on peace building and economic opportunities for women.
So, we are working on peace building for women, economic opportunities for women, and all that stuff
- Shahrzad Kofi says women could not go to school or work under Taliban rule.
Women couldn't go to school, they couldn't go to work, they couldn't go outside the home without a male accompanying them
- Shahrzad Kofi says women had more opportunities for work and politics after the Taliban era.
after the Taliban era, it was a bit better, you know, there were more opportunities for women in terms of work, in terms of getting involved into politics
- Shahrzad Kofi says women in Afghanistan are less privileged than women in other parts of the world.
the women of Afghanistan are not as privileged as other women around the globe
- Shahrzad Kofi says Taliban in her province have set rules that stop women from going out alone.
Taliban in, for example, my province, who are asking for a list of women who are not married or are single or widowed, who they could like, you know, marry, or, um, who are setting rules where women cannot go outside alone
- Shahrzad Kofi says one group of Taliban is now civil and accepts a government where women are involved.
there's a group of Taliban that are now civil, who are like, okay, you can have a, you can have a, you know, government where women are involved
- Shahrzad Kofi says a woman can move alone in Kabul but not in provinces controlled by the Taliban.
in Kabul, yes. But in other provinces that are being controlled by the Taliban, unfortunately, a woman cannot go alone outside
- Shahrzad Kofi says she hopes Afghanistan does not return to how it was before 2001.
I hope it doesn't get to where it was like in 2000, before 2001
- Shahrzad Kofi says some people support the Taliban because it serves their interests.
Some people do support the Taliban regime because it's about their interest
- Shahrzad Kofi says police in Badakhshan handed over their arms and left without fighting, out of fear of bloodshed.
in Badakhshan province, where I'm from, the, the police, they just handed over all the, um, uh, you know, arms they had, and they left without fighting, because of the fear of bloodshed
- Shahrzad Kofi says the Taliban are taking over many provinces.
So, they are taking over a lot of provinces as of now
- Shahrzad Kofi says that after the withdrawal, the Taliban came to believe they could win through fighting because there was no international support.
after the withdrawal, um, the Taliban are like, okay, you don't have any international support, we can win through fighting
- Shahrzad Kofi's mother is part of the negotiation team in Doha.
my mom is part of the negotiation team in Doha
- Shahrzad Kofi says her mother was shot in the arm, probably by the Taliban.
she was shot in her arm by the Taliban, probably, and she went there with an injured hand
- Shahrzad Kofi says the situation may potentially lead to civil war.
So, yeah, that's a bit disappointing, and this may potentially lead to civil war.
- Shahrzad Kofi says she personally does not want more intervention from the US or other international communities in Afghanistan.
I don't want any more intervention from US or any other international community in Afghanistan, because we are capable of changing our own country if we wanted to
- Shahrzad Kofi says Afghanistan could become self-sufficient if it developed its agriculture.
If we were able to work on our agriculture, we'll be self-sufficient
- Shahrzad Kofi says the border area with Pakistan is warm and green, with crops such as rice.
in the border with Pakistan, it's very warm, so the similar, um, um, weather kind of like, like from Pakistan. So, we have a lot of greenery, we have crops, we have rice
- Shahrzad Kofi says Afghanistan is very diverse in geography, with mountains in the north and middle.
Afghanistan is, uh, very diverse in terms of its, uh, geography. So, in northern part, we have mountains, even in the middle part
- Shahrzad Kofi says Afghanistan is a very agricultural country and rich in mines and oil.
Afghanistan is a very agricultural country. So, if we focus on that, um, also, it's a very, um, rich country in terms of mines, oil
- Shahrzad Kofi says a main reason young Afghans join the Taliban is that they have no jobs.
one of the main reasons the youth now, uh, are getting engaged with the Taliban is because they don't have, they, they just say it out loud that, 'We don't have any jobs.
- Shahrzad Kofi says the younger generation is more open-minded than older Afghans.
The younger generation is much more open-minded, they have studied, they're, they have been exposed to the new world, to social media
- Shahrzad Kofi says ethnicity divides the older generation of Afghans.
I see a lot of, um, disunity in, among the older generation, like ethnicity is a very big part of it
- Shahrzad Kofi says she sees a bright future for Afghanistan through its youth, if given the chance.
I see a bright future in Afghanistan through our youth, if we're given the chance
- Shahrzad Kofi says that without war, people would be keen to start businesses, join politics and become doctors.
if there's no war, people are very interested to establish their own businesses, join politics, become doctors
- Shahrzad Kofi says some of her friends in Afghanistan have no internet and use cafes to do research.
I have friends in Afghanistan who don't have internet access, and they manage to get up really early in the morning, go to cafes, do research
- Shahrzad Kofi says internet access is becoming mainstream in Afghanistan but is still expensive.
It is becoming mainstream, but it's a bit expensive, like not everybody can afford it
- Shahrzad Kofi says Facebook is very popular in Afghanistan because mobile data packages are small.
they have like short, small packages of like 50 to 200 MBs where they could only use Facebook. That's why Facebook is very popular in Afghanistan
- Shahrzad Kofi says she and her colleagues were thinking of gathering youth from different Afghan provinces.
we were thinking of, um, you know, gathering youth from different provinces of Afghanistan
- The planned program would talk to youth about the peace process and their own definition of peace.
talk to them about peace process, their perspective of peace, their definition of peace
- Shahrzad Kofi says the plan could later include an exchange program to Pakistan.
maybe we can have an exchange program to Pakistan
- Shahrzad Kofi says her best-case scenario is an interim government followed by a government that includes everyone.
there is an interim government, and then after that, they can come to an agreement, and then they can create a, a government where everybody's included
- Shahrzad Kofi says the worst-case scenario is that Afghanistan goes back to where it was.
Worst-case scenario, Afghanistan will go back to where it was.
- Shahrzad Kofi says Afghanistan has a brain drain, with talented people unable to put their ideas into practice.
we also have brain drain in Afghanistan. I know a lot of people personally who are very good with what they do. They have very good ideas, but they cannot implement it
- Shahrzad Kofi says many talented Afghans leave the country to save themselves and their families.
So, um, they have to save themselves and their families. So, if they get the opportunity, they leave.
- Shahrzad Kofi says Afghans who leave go to Pakistan, Canada, European countries and Australia.
They are coming to Pakistan, they're going to Canada, they are going to European countries, literally anywhere they could find, Australia
- Shahrzad Kofi says some Afghans sell their property and make hard decisions to leave for their children's future.
People are selling their properties. They, I know neighbors who are selling their whole properties, everything they have. And although they love their country, it's hard to take, uh, such decisions, but for the better future of their kids, they have to make such decisions.
- Asad Khosha has a background in journalism and research.
I have a mixed background of journalism and research
- Asad Khosha has worked as a field work researcher.
I have worked as, as, as, as, field work researcher as well
- Asad Khosha is the chief editor of Kabul Now.
currently I am the chief editor of, uh, Kabul Now
- Asad Khosha says journalism in Afghanistan is tough because of security threats.
It, it is, it is a tough work doing journalism in Afghanistan, given the, the challenges, given the, the security threats
- Asad Khosha says it is a challenge for the Taliban to re-establish their regime.
It is a challenge, I think, for, for, for the Taliban to re-establish their, uh, regime
- Asad Khosha says the Taliban have some support in villages and provinces.
they have some support in, in the, in the, in the villages and, and, and, the, the provinces
- Asad Khosha describes the Taliban as village mullahs who lack an understanding of governance.
they are a bunch of, of, of, of mullahs, of village mullahs, who, who, who don't have the understanding of, of the governance
- Asad Khosha says the Taliban distance themselves from a large part of society and from the youth.
that distances them from a large, uh, uh, proportion of, of the society, of, of, uh, they're distancing them from, from the youth
- Asad Khosha says the Taliban's gains are rooted in the failure of the government.
reason why, why Taliban are gaining more support, uh, lies in the failure of the, of the, of the government
- Asad Khosha says the government cannot deliver services and is corrupt.
The government can, cannot deliver services, uh, the government is corrupt
- Asad Khosha says the whole nation is not welcoming the Taliban.
it is not the, the, the whole nation, who, who, who are welcoming the, the Taliban
- Asad Khosha says the Taliban see themselves as victorious and are taking cities by force.
they think that they are, they are the, the victorious, they have won militarily, and they are trying to, to take control over, uh, many cities or Kabul by force
- Asad Khosha says many people resist the Taliban.
There are, there are many, many, many people who resist against Taliban
- Asad Khosha says the Taliban left the negotiating table last time without any excuse.
they escaped last time of the, of the table, uh, and, and, for, for, and they did not have any, any excuse
- Asad Khosha says the Taliban demand complete control of Afghanistan and surrender.
What they demand is, is, is, is a complete, you know, control over Afghanistan and a surrender
- Asad Khosha says the war in Afghanistan is partly a war of other powers.
but at the very same time, it is the war of, of, of the other powers
- Asad Khosha says Afghanistan's neighbors and regional countries can play a vital role in its peace.
Afghanistan's neighbors and the regional countries, they can play a very vital role in Afghanistan's peace
- Asad Khosha says Afghanistan cannot resolve its problems unless regional countries come together.
we cannot come to resolve our problems unless the, the, the regional countries, they, they come together
- Asad Khosha says Pakistan, Iran, China and Russia can each play a vital role.
I think Pakistan can play a very vital role, Iran can also play a very, very significantly vital role, and, and, and, and same, uh, can China do a very vital role, play a vital role, and Russia
- Asad Khosha says the image of Afghanistan in most Pakistani media is flawed.
The image that most Pakistani, uh, media portray of Afghanistan here is, is, I think, is flawed
- Asad Khosha recalls a taxi driver, on the ride from Islamabad airport, asking whether Kabul has mosques.
coming from Islamabad airport to, uh, the city, a, a cab driver, an old man, he, he asked me where, where I was, I was from. Then I said, 'Afghanistan.' Then, then, he, he put another question. Then, uh, he asked me that if there was any mosque in, uh, in Kabul
- Asad Khosha says there is an opportunity to correct the wrong perceptions that people have about each other.
this is an opportunity to just correct, uh, to, to correct the wrong perceptions that we have about each other
- Asad Khosha calls it a fault that Pakistan has engaged with a specific group in Afghanistan.
a fault Pakistan has, has, has committed and has been committing is that Pakistan has been engaged with, with a specific group in Afghanistan
- Asad Khosha says Pakistan should also engage civil society, think tanks, universities and media in Afghanistan.
with civil society, with, with think tanks, with universities, with, uh, media people, I think we can, we can do a lot
- Asad Khosha says many Afghans do not share the views of successive Kabul governments on issues including the Durand issue.
there are a lot of, uh, people in Afghanistan that they do not think the way the, the, the successive governments in, in, in Kabul think about many issues, particularly about the, the Durand issue
- Asad Khosha says India has used aid and development projects in Afghanistan as a tool to influence public opinion.
I think India in Afghanistan has been using aid development projects as, as, as weapon. Right, as a therapeutic tool, yeah. Yes, to influence the public opinion over there
- Asad Khosha says Pakistan has less investment in Afghanistan.
there is less investment on the part of Pakistan when, when it comes to, to, to Afghanistan
- Asad Khosha says Afghanistan can benefit from CPEC and the Gwadar project.
I think we can benefit a lot from, from, from that project, the CPEC and, and, and, and the rest that is, that is going on here and, and, the Gwadar project
- Asad Khosha says Afghanistan is landlocked and its economy is a war economy.
Afghanistan is a landlocked, uh, country, and its, its economy is dependent, and, and, unfortunately, its economy is a war, war economy
- Asad Khosha says there are many opportunities in trade and regional connectivity between Afghanistan and Pakistan.
there are a lot of opportunities, I think, I think, when it comes to, to trade, when it comes to bilateral relationship, when it comes to regional connectivity, um, between Afghanistan and Pakistan
- Asad Khosha says Afghanistan has friendly relations with Tajikistan, Uzbekistan and Turkmenistan.
Afghanistan has, has, has friendly relationship with, with its neighbors on, on the north, with Tajikistan, Uzbekistan, and, and, and the west with, uh, Turkmenistan
- Asad Khosha says Afghanistan's relations with Iran are not very friendly but are good to a large extent.
Its relationship with, uh, Iran has not been very friendly, but it is to many extent good
- Asad Khosha says the Afghan government has problems with governments in Pakistan.
Afghan government has problem with, with, with governments in, in, in Pakistan
- Asad Khosha says pressure on the Taliban could bring them to the negotiating table and lead to a settlement.
We can we can put pressure on on Taliban and and bring them to the negotiating table. And if that works, yes, of course, we will have a settlement and we all benefit
- Asad Khosha warns that if talks fail, refugees could flow into Pakistan and war could follow.
if that does not work, of course, we will have refugee influx back to to to Pakistan and we have a war
- Asad Khosha says he is at the conference to convince media people and diplomats to come together.
That is why I'm here and that is why I'm interested in this this conference and I'm trying my my best to yes to to to just convince people from the media and diplomats and and the rest that yes, we have to come together