Meenah Tariq

fintech CEO and venture capital partner

Compiled from 2 recorded interviews. Every statement below is drawn from the passage cited beside it.

Meenah Tariq is the CEO and co-founder of Metric. Tariq has said she and her team have worked inside the startup ecosystem for about 10 years. After returning to Pakistan, she started working with a startup accelerator, and she ran the accelerator's program for about three and a half to four years.

Early life and background

Tariq started selling bracelets she made when she was six or seven years old. She says she has run some kind of business her whole life. She says she has wanted financial independence since childhood. [2]

She says few women were allowed to have jobs in that period. At the time, she felt that business could give financial independence. [2]

Education

Tariq completed a BBA at a business school. She says her BBA taught little about running a business and more about business management. Her final-year project was on entrepreneurship, and it involved visiting entrepreneurs in different cities. She has said she studied business and accounting. [1][2]

She did an MBA in entrepreneurship and strategy on a Fulbright scholarship. She returned to Pakistan in 2015 after finishing graduate school. [1][2]

Career

Tariq has said she and her team have worked inside the startup ecosystem for about 10 years. After returning to Pakistan, she started working with a startup accelerator, and she ran the accelerator's program for about three and a half to four years. Her expertise from that work was in helping startups in Pakistan. She has said she and her partners still provide startup accountancy services. [1][2]

She has said she ran an accelerator that worked with hundreds or thousands of startups. She has said she worked in the development sector, building projects and programs for donors and running business trainings. She says she conducts trainings. She has said she trained about 700 to 800 entrepreneurs in person across smaller cities. [1][2]

Venture capital and investing

Tariq has said she and her partners later moved onto the investor side and invested in startups, and that she made about eight investments. She has said they felt too young to be investors at the time. She has said they went back to the operator side because they could contribute more to the world. [1]

She is a partner at a venture capital fund and describes herself as a partner and fund manager. She is an investor who holds a portfolio of companies. She is also a consultant for the World Bank on entrepreneurship. [2]

Metric

Tariq has said she is CEO of a fintech product company that is building an accounting product. She has said Metric automates accounting for small businesses and startups. She has said her product stems from work she did on a project. She has said people repeatedly told her they needed something like this. [1]

She has said her co-founder is a chartered accountant. She has said accountants are on her team and are helping build the product from the ground up, and that her team has a chartered accountant syndicate, which she described as good validation for the product. She has said her company's CTO holds a PhD in machine learning and data science and that the company has a tech team in Pakistan. [1]

She has said AI is a very important part of her company's product. She has said her team was in beta and was giving the app out in small groups. She has said about 150 businesses were on the waiting list, and that the app can be used free of cost from day one. [1]

She has said iOS support would depend on market size and that a web app was coming soon. She has said her team had spent nothing on marketing so far. She has said the 150 businesses on the waiting list come from places including New Zealand, Malta, the Philippines and India. She has said some aspects of the product could go live two to three years or four to five years later, once the rails are built. [1]

According to Tariq, Metric raised $900,000 as a pre-seed round. She has said the team wanted to raise $800,000 and had already added $100,000 more, and that the fundraise was oversubscribed. She has named I2I Ventures and Deosai among her company's investors. She has said it is hard to say no to money when it is coming in. [1]

Views on accounting

Tariq has said managing accounting or finance is one of the biggest issues businesses face. She has said businesses are held hostage by their fear of numbers, and that when owners fear numbers, they do not do their accounting. She has said an owner who avoids their numbers may learn, when someone reviews the books, that the business is running at a loss. [1]

She has said about 97% of businesses in Pakistan have fewer than five employees. She has said an accountant would not give insights of this kind unless working with about 100 similar businesses. [1]

Views on venture capital and startups

She says a venture capital fund is a pool of money built from other people's money. She says a wealthy investor typically puts 5% of their portfolio into startups. She says a venture capital investor expects a return within seven to ten years, and that investors expect at least 10 times their money, measured across the whole portfolio. She says nine out of ten startups globally fail. [2]

She says a venture capital investor takes equity rather than dividends or a profit share, and expects the company to reach a point where the stake can be cashed out in seven to ten years. She says later investors usually buy out the shares of early investors so that they can exit. She says a small fund usually looks at checks of about 30 to 50,000 dollars, and that 50,000 dollars is a safe amount for a person to invest in a fund. [2]

She says deploying money into startups is very hard. She says a startup is simply a business, and that money is one of the things a business needs in order to grow or scale. She says first-time business owners usually do not know their business case, and that is acceptable. She says investors back ideas with potential because they believe the founder can work out the business case. [2]

She says tech matters to investors because it scales, and that a cart has a capacity ceiling. She says tech-enabled businesses are much more attractive to investors now. She says a company may rather buy an existing business than spend many years building its customers. She says many businesses are stuck taking orders by DM and have not moved to Shopify. [2]

She defines product-market fit as a customer segment that is willing and able to buy the product at its price. She says problems arise when founders do not work on their customer segment. She says product-market fit comes when customers start coming to the business on their own. [2]

She advises founders to start a business that combines passion with a business case. She says founders should focus on the resources they have rather than on what they lack, and that founders should start small. [2]

Views on incubators

She describes an incubation center as an organization where founders bring a basic idea to be developed. She says an incubator connects founders with mentors and provides physical workspace. She says whether an incubator helps depends on the individual incubator and the experts it has. She says founders can grow without an incubator. [2]

Views on Pakistan

She says Pakistan has a strong business case, and that Pakistan's startup ecosystem is still very nascent. She says there is a great deal of optimism in the ecosystem right now. She says international funds come to Pakistan knowing it is still a high-risk country, and that foreign money would not come without a sense of stability. [2]

She says most investors in Pakistan today are first-time investors. She says startups may become more selective about investors as more money flows into Pakistan. She has said company registration with SECP used to be very hard and can now be done in a day. She says applicants can wait two to three weeks for each approval. [1][2]

She says the stories of Pakistan's local heroes are not publicly available. She says Pakistanis returning from abroad bring money, education, experience and networks to start businesses. She says many people who lost their jobs turned to entrepreneurship, and that COVID pushed people who were not online before to come online. She says the total money raised by startups in 2020 exceeded all previous years. [2]

She says good talent is now available at a lower cost after many inefficient older companies failed. She says an online business can sell a product from a small city to the whole world. She says export businesses have many layers where corruption can creep in, and that a manufacturing business needs money to open a factory. [2]

She calls a business that gives people a good product cheaply while earning money a beautiful business. She says most success stories come from a place of privilege, though some do not. [2]

Timeline

2015
Returned to Pakistan after finishing graduate school.[1]

Appearances

DateTitleWhere
2022-03-18 Why Meenah Tariq raised exactly $900,000 — not more Thought Behind Things
2021-02-03 What separates funded startups from the rest Thought Behind Things

Frequently asked questions

Where did Meenah Tariq study?

Meenah Tariq completed a BBA at a business school. She then did an MBA in entrepreneurship and strategy on a Fulbright scholarship. She has also said she studied business and accounting.[1][2]

What is Metric, the product Meenah Tariq has talked about?

Meenah Tariq has said Metric automates accounting for small businesses and startups. She has said AI is a very important part of her company's product. She has said her co-founder is a chartered accountant.[1]

How much did Metric raise?

Meenah Tariq has said Metric raised $900,000 as a pre-seed round. She has said the team wanted to raise $800,000 and had already added $100,000 more. She has named I2I Ventures and Deosai among her company's investors.[1]

When did Meenah Tariq return to Pakistan?

Meenah Tariq returned to Pakistan in 2015 after finishing graduate school. After returning to Pakistan, she started working with a startup accelerator.[1][2]

References

  1. Why Meenah Tariq raised exactly $900,000 — not more . Thought Behind Things , 2022-03-18.
  2. What separates funded startups from the rest . Thought Behind Things , 2021-02-03.
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  1. Meenah Tariq has said she is CEO of a fintech product company that is building an accounting product. main ek fintech product ki company ki CEO is waqt ek accounting product bana rahi hoon
  2. Meenah Tariq has said Metric automates accounting for small businesses and startups. So Metric uh is the app that we launched. It basically automates accounting for small businesses and startups.
  3. Meenah Tariq has said she and her team have worked inside the startup ecosystem for about 10 years. pichle 10 saal se takreeban hum startup ecosystem ke andar hi kaam kar rahe hain
  4. Meenah Tariq has said she and her partners still provide startup accountancy services. we're still doing startup accountancy thing
  5. Meenah Tariq has said she ran an accelerator that worked with hundreds or thousands of startups. maine accelerator ek run kiya which was working with startups, hundreds, thousands of startups
  6. Meenah Tariq has said she worked in the development sector, building projects and programs for donors and running business trainings. donors ke liye projects banaye, programs implement kiye, business trainings dein, trainers ki tarah kaam kiya humne
  7. Meenah Tariq has said she and her partners later moved onto the investor side and invested in startups. investor side of the table par bhi aa gaye, logon ko paise bhi diye
  8. Meenah Tariq has said she made about eight investments in startups. I think I did about eight investments.
  9. Meenah Tariq has said she and her partners felt too young to be investors at the time. So, humne socha hum bahut chote hain investor banne ke liye.
  10. Meenah Tariq has said she and her partners went back to the operator side because they could contribute more to the world. we we can contribute more to the world to hum is side pe back to the operator side pe aa gaye
  11. Meenah Tariq has said she studied business and accounting. Maine business padhi hui hai aur maine accounting padhi
  12. Meenah Tariq returned to Pakistan in 2015 after finishing graduate school. 2015 mein jab main Pakistan wapas aayi thi apna grad school karke
  13. Meenah Tariq has said businesses are held hostage by their fear of numbers. hamare yahan na businesses are held hostage by their fear of numbers
  14. Meenah Tariq has said that when owners fear numbers, they do not do their accounting. Jab aapko numbers se dar lagta hai to aap apni accountancy karte hi nahi hain
  15. Meenah Tariq has said an owner who avoids their numbers may learn, when someone reviews the books, that the business is running at a loss. woh baith ke aapki books dekhta hai, aapke numbers dekhta hai to woh kehta hai bhai yeh to aap loss mein business chala rahe hain
  16. Meenah Tariq has said managing accounting or finance is one of the biggest issues businesses face. Jinmein se ek bahut bada issue hai accountancy ya finance ko manage karna
  17. Meenah Tariq has said her product stems from work she did on a project. this product stems from this work that I did on a project
  18. Meenah Tariq has said she trained about 700 to 800 entrepreneurs in person across smaller cities. taqreeban between like 700 to 800 entrepreneurs ko maine khud train kiya, in the field ja ke chote shehron mein
  19. Meenah Tariq has said people repeatedly told her they needed something like this. jinhon ne mujhe baar baar kaha ke Meena humein aisi cheez ki zaroorat hai
  20. Meenah Tariq has said her team was in beta and was giving the app out in small groups. We're in beta right now. So agar aap hamari website par jaakar sign up karte hain na to we're giving the app out in small groups
  21. Meenah Tariq has said about 150 businesses were on the waiting list. We still have about 150 businesses on the waiting list
  22. Meenah Tariq has said the app can be used free of cost from day one. Um par aap yeh app free of cost from day one use kar sakte hain.
  23. Meenah Tariq has said iOS support would depend on market size and that a web app was coming soon. iOS hum sochenge, it depends on the market size. Obviously the Android market size. The web app is going to come really soon.
  24. Meenah Tariq has said her team had spent nothing on marketing so far. humne abhi tak marketing pe ek rupaya nahi lagaya
  25. Meenah Tariq has said the 150 businesses on the waiting list come from places including New Zealand, Malta, the Philippines and India. Woh 150 businesses are from all over the world. New Zealand, Malta, Philippines, India
  26. Meenah Tariq has said about 97% of businesses in Pakistan have fewer than five employees. Within Pakistan, 97% businesses approximately are under five employees or so.
  27. Meenah Tariq has said her company's CTO holds a PhD in machine learning and data science. Our CTO is a PhD in machine learning and data science.
  28. Meenah Tariq has said her company has a tech team in Pakistan. we do have a tech team here in Pakistan
  29. Meenah Tariq has said AI is a very important part of her company's product. AI is actually a very, very important part of our product
  30. Meenah Tariq has said an accountant would not give these insights unless working with about 100 similar businesses. accountant bhi nahi de sakta aap ko unless woh aap jaise 100 aur businesses ke saath kaam kar raha ho
  31. Meenah Tariq has said her co-founder is a chartered accountant. hamara co-founder bhi chartered accountant hai
  32. Meenah Tariq has said accountants are on her team and are helping build the product from the ground up. we have accountants on board who are helping build the product from ground up
  33. Meenah Tariq has said her team's fundraise was oversubscribed. We were oversubscribed, which means that money was coming in
  34. Meenah Tariq has said the team wanted to raise $800,000 and had already added $100,000 more. We wanted to raise $800,000. Already humne $100,000 extra raise kiye, right?
  35. Meenah Tariq has said it is hard to say no to money when it is coming in. It's hard to say no to money when it's coming in.
  36. Meenah Tariq has said Metric raised $900,000 as a pre-seed round. We've raised $900,000 as a pre-seed uh round for Metric
  37. Meenah Tariq has named I2I Ventures and Deosai among her company's investors. we have I2I Ventures, we have Deosai, we have Keno Capital, we have Ratio Ventures
  38. Meenah Tariq has said her team has a chartered accountant syndicate, which she described as good validation for the product. We have a chartered accountant syndicate uh which is which is good validation for our product
  39. Meenah Tariq has said company registration with SECP used to be very hard and can now be done in a day. SECP yaar Pakistan mein company register karana kitna mushkil tha aur ab aap woh I think ek din mein kar sakte ho
  40. Meenah Tariq has said some aspects of the product could go live two to three years or four to five years later, once the rails are built. two to three years down the line, four to five years down the line, aap different aise aspects of the product ko us waqt live kar sakte ho jab woh rails ban gayi hon
  41. Meenah Tariq is a partner at a venture capital fund. So Meena is a partner at Caravan Venture Capitalist Fund and then saath hi you are a consultant as well for the World Bank on entrepreneurship.
  42. Meenah Tariq is a consultant for the World Bank on entrepreneurship. saath hi you are a consultant as well for the World Bank on entrepreneurship
  43. Meenah Tariq describes herself as a partner and fund manager at a venture capital fund. Main as a VC fund manager, theek hai, jo main partner hoon toh main ek fund manager hoon
  44. Meenah Tariq completed a BBA at a business school. woh jab main business school mein end up hui, main ne BBA kiya
  45. She says her BBA taught little about running a business and more about business management. Unfortunatley BBA kartay huay aap ko business karne ke baray mein bahut kam bataya jata hai, aap ko business management zyada batayi jati hai.
  46. Her final-year project was on entrepreneurship, and it involved visiting entrepreneurs in different cities. mera jo final year project tha, woh actually main ne entrepreneurship pe kiya jis mein hum different cities mein gaye
  47. She did an MBA on a Fulbright scholarship. Main Fulbright scholarship pe phir MBA karne gayi
  48. She did her MBA in entrepreneurship and strategy at a college. Babson College gayi to do my MBA in entrepreneurship and strategy.
  49. After returning to Pakistan, she started working with a startup accelerator. Pakistan wapis aayi, started working with Invest2Innovate jo ke ek startup accelerator hai
  50. She ran the accelerator's program for about three and a half to four years. Main ne un ka program run kiya, taqreeban 3.5-4 saal woh program run kiya
  51. Her expertise from that work was in helping startups in Pakistan. Tab tak meri jo expertise ho gayi thi, jo mera knowledge base create ho gaya tha Pakistan mein, woh tha startups ki side se kaam karne ka.
  52. She is an investor who holds a portfolio of companies. Yaar main kyunki khud investor hoon to zyada to nahi ya to main apne portfolio companies ka hi tareefein karun.
  53. Meenah Tariq started selling bracelets she made when she was six or seven years old. Toh main jab 6-7 saal ki thi toh main ne bracelets bana ke bechnay shuru kiye
  54. She says she has run some kind of business her whole life. main ne apni poori zindagi koi na koi business kiya hai
  55. She says she has wanted financial independence since childhood. mujhe bahut bachpan se financial independence ka shauq tha
  56. She says few women were allowed to have jobs in that period. us zamanay mein khaas tor pe aur yeh woh zamana hai jis time pe bahut kam logon ko, bahut kam khawateen ko jobs ki ijazat hoti thi.
  57. At the time, she felt that business could give financial independence. Toh tab yeh lagta tha ke agar koi business karein na toh aap financially independent ho saktay ho
  58. She says a startup is simply a business. And when I say startup, ek startup ek business hai.
  59. She says money is one of the things a business needs in order to grow or scale. Toh kisi bhi business ko grow ya scale karne ke liye kya chahiye aur un mein se ek cheez paisa hai.
  60. She says first-time business owners usually do not know their business case, and that is acceptable. First time business owner ko koi business case nahi pata hota and that is completely okay.
  61. She says investors back ideas with potential because they believe the founder can work out the business case. and that is why investors are betting on those insane ideas that have some potential and with the belief that the founder has the ability to sort through the business case.
  62. She says tech matters to investors because it scales. Kyunke tech scale deta hai.
  63. She says a cart has a capacity ceiling. us thelay ki ek capacity ceiling hai.
  64. She says a venture capital investor expects a return within seven to ten years. woh 7 se 10 saalon mein return cha raha hota hai
  65. She says investors expect at least 10 times their money, measured across the whole portfolio. Aur woh cha raha hota hai ke woh jo bhi amount daal raha hai us pe kam az kam 10 times return ho. Actually not on that amount, woh apne pooray portfolio pe
  66. She says a venture capital fund is a pool of money built from other people's money. Ek jo venture capital fund hota hai na woh hota hai aur logon ke paison se bana hua ek pool of money.
  67. She says a wealthy investor typically puts 5% of their portfolio into startups. ek ameer insaan jo hai na woh apne total portfolio ka 5% investment portfolio ka 5% startups mein dalay ga
  68. She says nine out of ten startups globally fail. Globally 10 startups mein se 9 ne har surat fail karna hai.
  69. She says a small fund usually looks at checks of about 30 to 50,000 dollars. usually for a small fund they are looking at checks of 30 to 50,000 dollars approximately.
  70. She says 50,000 dollars is a safe amount for a person to invest in a fund. 50,000 dollar is a safe amount to say ke jo aap kisi fund mein invest kar saktay ho
  71. She says deploying money into startups is very hard. It might sound funny but it is actually very hard to deploy money.
  72. She says Pakistan has a strong business case. So actually no, business case hai. Pakistan ka business case bara strong hai Muzamil.
  73. She defines product-market fit as a customer segment that is willing and able to buy the product at its price. woh customer segment aap ka woh product us price point pe khareedne ko tayyar hai. Willing bhi hai aur able bhi hai.
  74. She says problems arise when founders do not work on their customer segment. Masla tab aata hai jab log apne customer segment pe kaam nahi kartay
  75. She says product-market fit comes when customers start coming to the business on their own. Tab jaakar woh product market fit achieve hoti hai, jab customer khud aapke paas aana shuru hota hai, na ki aapko customer ke paas jaake usko convince karna pade ki mere paas aao.
  76. She says she conducts trainings. Aur is mein main aam tor pe kyunke main trainings wagera karati hoon
  77. She says many businesses are stuck taking orders by DM and have not moved to Shopify. woh DM for order pe hi ruke hue hain. You know, woh Shopify pe nahi ja pa rahe
  78. She says a venture capital investor takes equity rather than dividends or a profit share. usually jo ek equity based investor hoga na, woh dividends ya profit share nahi aap se le raha hoga. Theek hai. Ek venture capital investor toh bilkul bhi nahi le raha hoga.
  79. She says an investor takes equity in the company and expects it to reach a point where the stake can be cashed out in seven to ten years. Woh aap se equity lega aapki company mein, company mein. Aur woh is basis pe lega ki kal ko aaj se saat se das saal baad, yeh company jo hai woh is point tak pahunch gayi hogi ki yeh cash out kar sakega.
  80. She says later investors usually buy out the shares of early investors so that they can exit. Toh tab jo naye investors aayenge na, woh mere jaise chote investors ka share mere se khareed lenge aur woh mujhe paise deke chalta karenge.
  81. She says a company may rather buy an existing business than spend many years building its customers. Ab Uber jo hai bajaye iske ki bahut saare saal lagaye utne customers banane ke liye, they would rather ki woh Kareem ko khareed lein
  82. She advises founders to start a business that combines passion with a business case. main hamesha yeh advice karti hoon ki business wohi kholein jisme aapka kuch passion, kuch interest ho. It has to be a mix of passion and then business case
  83. She says the stories of Pakistan's local heroes are not publicly available. yeh sad baat hai ki hamare paas yeh local heroes jo hain, inki stories public consumption ke liye available nahi hain.
  84. She says applicants can wait two to three weeks for each approval. Woh paperwork ho gaya, apply karke aap do do hafte, teen teen hafte wait karein har cheez ke approval ke liye.
  85. She says international funds come to Pakistan knowing it is still a high-risk country. investors bhi jab invest kar rahe hain Pakistan mein ab you know international funds aa rahe hain um toh woh yeh understanding, is understanding ke saath aa rahe hain ki Pakistan is still a high risk country.
  86. She says Pakistan's startup ecosystem is still very nascent. Hamara ecosystem toh definitely bahut nascent hai
  87. She says there is a great deal of optimism in the ecosystem right now. I think hamara jo overall ecosystem hai usmein ek badi optimism hai is waqt.
  88. She says foreign money would not come to Pakistan without a sense of stability. Yeh stability agar feel na ho rahi hoti toh bahar se paisa Pakistan mein na aa raha hota.
  89. She says most investors in Pakistan today are first-time investors. Pakistan mein aaj jitne investors hain woh first time investors hain. Taqreeban sab ki yeh pehle pehli pehli baar hai, pehle funds hain.
  90. She says startups may become more selective about investors as more money flows into Pakistan. Jaise jaise zyada zyada paisa Pakistan mein flow karega, waise waise startups ke din can then start to you know choose to be more selective about who they take money from.
  91. She describes an incubation center as an organization where founders bring a basic idea to be developed. So ek incubation center bhi ek aisi organization hai jahan pe aap apna anda leke jaate hain jo ki aapka ek basic sa idea hai.
  92. She says an incubator connects founders with mentors and provides physical workspace. Aapko mentor se connect karaye, aapko physical space de jahan aap baith ke apne business pe kaam kar sakein
  93. She says whether an incubator helps depends on the individual incubator and the experts it has. Waise hi aapne yeh dekhna hai ki aapka kis type ka business hai, aap kis incubator mein jaana chahte hain. Us incubation center ke paas kaise experts hain.
  94. She says founders can grow without an incubator. Bilkul bhi nahi. That is not true at all. Aap incubator ke baghair bhi grow kar sakte hain.
  95. She says founders should focus on the resources they have rather than on what they lack. Aap is pe focus karein ki aapke paas resources hain kya jinse woh possible ho sakta hai na ki aapke paas kya nahi hai jiski wajah se aap woh cheez nahi kar sakte.
  96. She says founders should start small. Aur again chhote level pe shuru karein.
  97. She says many people who lost their jobs turned to entrepreneurship. Bahut saare log jab unki jobs khatam hui na to woh entrepreneurship ki taraf aaye
  98. She says COVID pushed people who were not online before to come online. COVID mein kya hua hai ki jo log online nahi bhi aa rahe the na woh bhi online aa gaye hain.
  99. She says the total money raised by startups in 2020 exceeded all previous years. Actually the total amount of money raised by startups in 2020 has exceeded all previous years.
  100. She says good talent is now available at a lower cost after many inefficient older companies failed. there are a lot of inefficient old school companies that have gone bust and now that talent, that really good talent is now available at a cheaper cost
  101. She says Pakistanis returning from abroad bring money, education, experience and networks to start businesses. log Pakistan wapis aa rahe hain apne bahar ka paisa lekar, apne bahar ki education, experience lekar, networks aur skill sets lekar ki yahan aake kuch shuru karein.
  102. She calls a business that gives people a good product cheaply while earning money a beautiful business. woh logon ko achha product bhi de raha hai sasta aur woh khud bhi paise kama rahe hain. To matlab that is a beautiful business.
  103. She says most success stories come from a place of privilege, though some do not. Zyada tar jo success stories hoti hain come from a place of privilege.
  104. She says an online business can sell a product from a small city to the whole world. toh shayad aap apna product Rahim Yar Khan se poori duniya mein bech sakte hain.
  105. She says export businesses have many layers where corruption can creep in. export mein toh phir woh bahut saare different layers aur levels aa jaate hain jinpe corruption ke bhi chances hote hain
  106. She says a manufacturing business needs money to open a factory. Agar aapki socks ki bhi factory hai toh woh ek manufacturing business hai jisme factory kholne ke liye toh paise chahiye hi chahiye.
  107. She says tech-enabled businesses are much more attractive to investors now. tech enabled is so much more sexy nowadays.