Dr Aasim Yusuf
Chief Medical Officer of Shaukat Khanum
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Dr Aasim Yusuf is the Chief Medical Officer of Shaukat Khanum. Born in London in 1962, he went to King Edward Medical College, first trained in general internal medicine in the UK, and chose gastroenterology as his sub-specialty. He joined Shaukat Khanum in December 1994, four weeks before the hospital opened, and has been medical director and then chief medical officer since 2004.
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Early life and background
Yusuf was born in London in 1962 and lived in England until he was nearly 15. His mother was a committed Pakistani who never wanted to live in England, and his father never wanted to move back to Pakistan. His mother moved back to Pakistan in late 1976, and he joined her a little later. [1]
He attended school in Rawalpindi for a year. He had no clear aim in life after school. As a teenager he wanted to join the Pakistan Air Force as a fighter pilot. [1]
Education
Yusuf took O levels, which were then called Senior Cambridge, and completed FSC at Government College. His mother wanted him to become a doctor, and he did not know what else to do. He went to King Edward Medical College. [1]
He says the curriculum he studied was probably from the 1930s or 1940s. He says the clinical years of medical school were the part he enjoyed most. He moved into the hostel in the last two or three years of medical school. He qualified in medicine in the summer of 1986, after strikes and closures delayed the course. He says Aga Khan opened while they were at King Edward, and that to some extent King Edward has lost its preeminence. [1]
Early medical career
Yusuf did a year's house job and then worked for another year at a hospital. He took the PLAB test to work in the UK and moved there in 1989. He first trained in general internal medicine in the UK. He chose gastroenterology as his sub-specialty, partly because he liked procedures. [1]
Return to Pakistan
Yusuf says he always intended to return to Pakistan and never felt he belonged in England. He recalls being advised to apply to a hospital that Imran Khan was opening. A professor of medicine who is a cousin of Imran Khan wrote to him, and he was offered a part-time post as an endoscopist. [1]
He says he did not know that you were supposed to negotiate your salary. He says that coming back to Pakistan in the way he did was foolish in retrospect. [1]
Shaukat Khanum
Yusuf joined Shaukat Khanum in December 1994, four weeks before the hospital opened. He says they did not have electricity for six months, and that he decided where the electrical sockets would go. He says it was not just managers deciding these things, and that it was driven very much by physicians. He says they furnished a house as an inpatient unit and that they were 10 consultants and 10 junior doctors. [1]
He has been medical director and then chief medical officer since 2004. The post of chief medical officer is a board appointment. He says the role oversees clinical matters across the whole group. He spends about half his time on clinical work and half on administration. He has also been in charge of recruitment for many years. [1]
He says he enjoys clinical work and that endoscopy needs constant practice to keep manual dexterity. He recalled being in the curious position of having to refer someone with a mass in the large intestine. He says he would accept stepping down if the institution asked him to. [1]
Hospital operations
Yusuf says the cornerstone of the hospital is that every patient receives the same treatment, and that doctors and nurses are blinded to the patient's financial status. He says the hospital was the first in Pakistan to install a PET CT scanner, around 2007 or 2008. He says they obtained JCI re-accreditation for Lahore in 2021. He says the organisation became the first in Pakistan and only the second in the world to achieve JCI enterprise accreditation. [1]
He says about 45,000 people come to them each year and that this is reduced to about 12,000 new cancer patients they see. He says patients who are refused treatment are offered counselling by a psychologist. He says theirs is the only organisation in Pakistan with a training programme in palliative medicine. He says they run the country's largest population-based cancer registry, called the Punjab Cancer Registry. [1]
He says they have about a 20% attrition rate for nursing and that they hire qualified nurses and designate them as trainee nurses for one year. He says the hospital information system is homegrown. He says the hospital moved from paper to electronic records almost 20 years ago. [1]
Views
Yusuf says about 180,000 new cancer patients are diagnosed in Pakistan each year, and that there is a need for about 20 tertiary care hospitals the size of the hospital in Lahore to deal with all the cancer in Pakistan. He says common cancers in Pakistan occur 10 to 15 years younger than in the West and that the median age of women presenting with breast cancer in Pakistan is 42. He says lung cancer is rising in Pakistan because smoking spread later than in the West. He thinks the increasing numbers of patients are due to survival from other diseases and better awareness. [1]
He says cancer treatment was once called slash and burn. He says radiation has become immensely more accurate and targeted, and that targeted cancer therapy acts on cancer cells without damaging the other surrounding cells. He says some treatments can cost upwards of a million dollars per patient. [1]
He says Pakistan has a shortage of over 2 million nurses. He says one of the hardest things is persuading people to return to Pakistan. He says AI might ease brain drain if robots could see patients in place of foreign-qualified doctors. He says they do not want to be research colonized. He says the degree of regulation has improved and could certainly be better. [1]
He says healthcare at an appropriate standard is an expensive business. He says he has always felt Pakistan is on an upward trajectory, and that 70 to 75 years is nothing in the life of a nation. He thinks the future is bright. [1]
Personal life
Yusuf has two sons. They lived in Pakistan until they were 18. Both went to university in England and are still there. One studied economics at UCL and went into chartered accountancy. His sons have repeatedly said they intend to return to Pakistan. [1]
Timeline
- 1962
- Born in London.[1]
- 1976
- His mother moved back to Pakistan in late 1976, and he joined her a little later.[1]
- 1986
- Qualified in medicine in the summer.[1]
- 1989
- Moved to the UK.[1]
- 1994
- Joined Shaukat Khanum in December, four weeks before the hospital opened.[1]
- 2004
- Became medical director, later chief medical officer.[1]
- 2021
- Said to have obtained JCI re-accreditation for Lahore.[1]
Appearances
| Date | Title | Where |
|---|---|---|
| 2023-10-20 | How Shaukat Khanum built world-class cancer care from nothing | Thought Behind Things |
Frequently asked questions
Who is Dr Aasim Yusuf?
Dr Aasim Yusuf is the Chief Medical Officer of Shaukat Khanum. He was born in London in 1962. He has been medical director and then chief medical officer since 2004.[1]
What does Dr Aasim Yusuf do?
Dr Aasim Yusuf is the Chief Medical Officer of Shaukat Khanum, a board appointment. He says the role oversees clinical matters across the whole group. He spends about half his time on clinical work and half on administration.[1]
Where did Dr Aasim Yusuf study?
Dr Aasim Yusuf went to King Edward Medical College and qualified in medicine in the summer of 1986. He moved to the UK in 1989, where he first trained in general internal medicine. He chose gastroenterology as his sub-specialty.[1]
Where is Dr Aasim Yusuf from?
Dr Aasim Yusuf was born in London in 1962 and lived in England until he was nearly 15. His mother moved back to Pakistan in late 1976, and he joined her a little later.[1]
When did Dr Aasim Yusuf join Shaukat Khanum?
Dr Aasim Yusuf joined Shaukat Khanum in December 1994, four weeks before the hospital opened. He has been medical director and then chief medical officer since 2004.[1]
What does Dr Aasim Yusuf say about returning to Pakistan?
Dr Aasim Yusuf says he always intended to return to Pakistan and never felt he belonged in England. He recalls being advised to apply to a hospital that Imran Khan was opening. He says that coming back to Pakistan in the way he did was foolish in retrospect.[1]
What does Dr Aasim Yusuf think about the future of Pakistan?
Dr Aasim Yusuf says he has always felt Pakistan is on an upward trajectory. He says 70 to 75 years is nothing in the life of a nation. He thinks the future is bright.[1]
Does Dr Aasim Yusuf have children?
Dr Aasim Yusuf has two sons. Both went to university in England and are still there. His sons have repeatedly said they intend to return to Pakistan.[1]
References
- How Shaukat Khanum built world-class cancer care from nothing . Thought Behind Things , 2023-10-20.
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- Dr Aasim Yusuf is the Chief Medical Officer of Shaukat Khanum.
Dr. Aasim Yusuf is the Chief Medical Officer of Shaukat Khanum.
- He was born in London in 1962.
I was born in London, 1962
- He lived in England until he was nearly 15.
And I lived there till I was nearly 15.
- His mother was a committed Pakistani who never wanted to live in England.
So my mother was an ardent Pakistani and never wanted to live in England.
- His father never wanted to move back to Pakistan.
And my dad never wanted to come back to Pakistan.
- His mother moved back to Pakistan in late 1976, and he joined her a little later.
in late 1976, I think she came back to Pakistan and I joined her a little later.
- He attended school in Rawalpindi for a year.
Went to school in Pindi for a year, St. Mary's, great school.
- He had no clear aim in life after school.
And then uh had no real aim in life and didn't really know what to do.
- He wanted to join the Pakistan Air Force as a fighter pilot as a teenager.
So, I wanted to join the Pakistan Air Force and be a fighter pilot, like I think every 15, 16 year old boy does.
- He completed FSC at Government College.
So then I went to Government College, did FSC and my mother thought I should be a doctor
- His mother wanted him to become a doctor, and he did not know what else to do.
my mother thought I should be a doctor and I didn't really know what else I should do.
- He went to King Edward Medical College.
So that's what I did. I went to King Edward.
- He took O levels, which were then called Senior Cambridge.
I did O levels, Senior Cambridge as it was then called.
- He qualified in medicine in the summer of 1986, after strikes and closures delayed the course.
Then further strikes and closures meant that we didn't qualify until the summer of 86.
- He says the curriculum he studied was probably from the 1930s or 1940s.
We were studying the curriculum from probably the 1930s or 40s.
- He says the clinical years of medical school were the part he enjoyed most.
I really, really enjoyed the clinical years
- He moved into the hostel in the last two or three years of medical school.
And then in the last two or three years, I also moved into the hostel.
- He did a year's house job and then worked for another year at a hospital.
So I did a year's house job and then I worked for another year in Mayo Hospital
- He took the PLAB test to work in the UK.
I gave the PLAB test to allow me to go and work in the UK
- He moved to the UK in 1989.
And this was again late 80s, right? So Yeah, so I went in 89.
- He first trained in general internal medicine in the UK.
So I decided to do medicine first, general internal medicine.
- He chose gastroenterology as his sub-specialty.
I chose to do gastroenterology, which was a further three years of sub-specialty training
- He chose gastroenterology partly because he liked procedures.
partly because I always liked procedures
- He always intended to return to Pakistan.
I always wanted to come back to Pakistan.
- He never felt he belonged in England.
I never really felt I belonged in England.
- He recalls being advised to apply to a hospital that Imran Khan was opening.
this guy Imran Khan, he's opening a hospital somewhere, why don't you apply there?
- A professor of medicine who is a cousin of Imran Khan wrote to him.
I got a letter from Dr. Nosherwan Barki, who is Imran's cousin and is a professor of medicine.
- He was offered a part-time post as an endoscopist.
we might have a part-time position for an endoscopist.
- He says he did not know that you were supposed to negotiate your salary.
I didn't know that you were supposed to negotiate your salary
- He says that coming back to Pakistan in the way he did was foolish in retrospect.
I think in retrospect, it was very foolish to be thinking about coming back to Pakistan in the way that I was.
- He joined Shaukat Khanum in December 1994, four weeks before the hospital opened.
First December 94, the hospital opened on the 29th of December, so I joined four weeks before.
- He says they did not have electricity for six months.
we did not have electricity for six months
- He says he decided where the electrical sockets would go.
So I actually decided ke bijli ke sockets kahan lagenge
- He says it was not just managers deciding these things, and that it was driven very much by physicians.
It wasn't just managers deciding these things. It was driven by physicians, very much so.
- He has been medical director and then chief medical officer since 2004.
I've been medical director and then chief medical officer for since 2004.
- His post of chief medical officer is a board appointment.
So the CEO and the CMO are board appointments.
- He says the chief medical officer role oversees clinical matters across the whole group.
a CEO and a CMO are overall for the trust to oversee the administration administrative side and the clinical side for the entire group
- He spends about half his time on clinical work and half on administration.
50% of my time is clinical and 50% is administrative.
- He says he would accept stepping down if the institution asked him to.
a time came when I with the institution wanted me to step down and appoint someone else, I'd be okay with that
- He says he enjoys clinical work.
But you know, I enjoy clinical work.
- He says endoscopy needs constant practice to keep manual dexterity.
you need to keep doing it to maintain your dexterity
- He says they furnished a house as an inpatient unit.
we furnished that house as an inpatient unit
- He recalled being in the curious position of having to refer someone with a mass in the large intestine.
I was in the curious position of having to refer someone with a mass in their large intestine
- He says they were 10 consultants and 10 junior doctors.
we were 10 consultants and 10 junior doctors
- He says the cornerstone of the hospital is that every patient receives the same treatment.
the cornerstone of the hospital is that we provide the same treatment to all our patients
- He says doctors and nurses are blinded to the patient's financial status.
Doctors and nurses are blinded to the patient's physical financial status.
- He says they obtained JCI re-accreditation for Lahore in 2021.
we did uh obtain JCI re-accreditation for Lahore in 2021
- He says the organisation became the first in Pakistan and only the second in the world to achieve JCI enterprise accreditation.
we became the first organization in Pakistan and only the second in the world to achieve JCI enterprise accreditation
- He says the hospital was the first in Pakistan to install a PET CT scanner, around 2007 or 2008.
We in 2007, I think or 2008, we were the first hospital in Pakistan to install a PET CT scanner
- He says about 180,000 new cancer patients are diagnosed in Pakistan each year.
Each year, there are over 180,000 new cancer patients diagnosed in Pakistan each year.
- He says about 45,000 people come to them each year and that this is reduced to about 12,000 new cancer patients they see.
from 45,000 that come to us each year, we whittle that down to about 12,000 new cancer patients that we see
- He says there is a need for about 20 tertiary care hospitals the size of the hospital in Lahore to deal with all the cancer in Pakistan.
there is a need for about 20 tertiary care hospitals the size of our hospital in Lahore to deal with all the cancer in Pakistan
- He says theirs is the only organisation in Pakistan with a training programme in palliative medicine.
we are the only organization in fact in Pakistan which has a training program in palliative medicine as well
- He says patients who are refused treatment are offered counselling by a psychologist.
all patients who are refused treatment at Shaukat Khanum are offered counseling by a psychologist
- He says they have about a 20% attrition rate for nursing.
we have about a 20% attrition rate for nursing
- He says Pakistan has a shortage of over 2 million nurses.
Pakistan has a shortage of over 2 million nurses
- He says they hire qualified nurses and designate them as trainee nurses for one year.
we hire qualified nurses and uh designate them as trainee nurses for one year
- He says they run the country's largest population-based cancer registry, called the Punjab Cancer Registry.
we run the country's largest population-based cancer registry. It's called the Punjab Cancer Registry
- He says common cancers in Pakistan occur 10 to 15 years younger than in the West.
most of the common cancers tend to occur between 10 and 15 years younger than they do in the West
- He says the median age of women presenting with breast cancer in Pakistan is 42.
42 years is the average age, is the median for women presenting with breast cancer in this country
- He says lung cancer is rising in Pakistan because smoking spread later than in the West.
Lung cancer is on the increase because smoking took off here later than in the West
- He thinks the increasing numbers of patients are due to survival from other diseases and better awareness.
there are increasing numbers of patients, I think because of survival from other diseases and because of better awareness
- He says cancer treatment was once called slash and burn.
the mainstay of cancer treatment was what was called colloquially as slash and burn
- He says radiation has become immensely more accurate and targeted.
Radiation has become immensely more accurate and targeted.
- He says targeted cancer therapy acts on cancer cells without damaging the other surrounding cells.
So now we have more and more targeted therapy which acts only on the cancer cells without damaging the other surrounding cells
- He says some treatments can cost upwards of a million dollars per patient.
which can cost up upwards of a million dollars per patient
- He says AI might ease brain drain if robots could see patients in place of foreign-qualified doctors.
if AI develops to the point where we could have a robot instead of a foreign qualified doctor to see patients, then at least that might help solve our a lot of brain drain crisis
- He says they do not want to be research colonized.
we also don't want to be research colonized, you know, we want to not so much that we want to get something for ourselves
- He says the hospital information system is homegrown.
we have the hospital information system, it's homegrown
- He says the hospital moved from paper to electronic records almost 20 years ago.
we transitioned from a completely paper record to a completely electronic medical record almost 20 years ago
- He has been in charge of recruitment for many years.
I'm now in charge of recruitment and I have been for many years.
- He says one of the hardest things is persuading people to return to Pakistan.
one of the hardest things is to get people to come to agree to come back to Pakistan
- He says the degree of regulation has improved and could certainly be better.
the degree of regulation has improved. It could certainly be better.
- He says Aga Khan opened while they were at King Edward.
Aga Khan opened while we were at King Edward
- He says that to some extent King Edward has lost its preeminence.
to some extent King Edward has lost its preeminence
- He says healthcare at an appropriate standard is an expensive business.
I don't think that healthcare provided to an appropriate standard is easy or cheap to do. It's an expensive business.
- He says he has always felt Pakistan is on an upward trajectory.
I've always felt that Pakistan is on an upward trajectory.
- He says 70 to 75 years is nothing in the life of a nation.
70, 75 years is nothing in the life of a nation.
- He thinks the future is bright.
But I think the the future is bright.
- He has two sons.
Yes, I have two boys.
- His sons lived in Pakistan until they were 18.
were in Pakistan till they were 18
- Both sons went to university in England and are still there.
Both went to university in England, uh and are still there.
- One son studied economics at UCL and went into chartered accountancy.
went to UCL, did a degree in economics and then went into chartered accountancy
- His sons have repeatedly said they intend to return to Pakistan.
they both frequently and repeatedly express the intention to come back to Pakistan