Taimur Malik

co-founder of Drawdown Farm

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Taimur Malik is the co-founder and ideator of Drawdown Farm. He was born in Karachi, studied at Columbia University and worked at Citibank in New York. He has developed an integrated regenerative farming system, which he calls drawdown farming, in Rahim Yar Khan and the Thal Desert.

Early life and background

Malik was born in Karachi, as were his parents. His father was a military man. His paternal grandfather was a navy officer who received a medal from the Quaid, and his maternal grandfather was a banker with the National Bank of Pakistan. Malik says his family was raised on sacrifice, the common good and the greater good. [1]

Malik thinks he has changed schools about 12 times in his life. He moved between cities such as Quetta, Multan and Islamabad. He says Islamabad is the Pakistani city he most associates with. [1]

Education

Malik finished high school at City School in Islamabad. He stayed with family friends in Islamabad to finish his A levels. He was admitted to Columbia University while still in high school. [1]

Malik did his undergraduate degree at Columbia, with Middle Eastern and Islamic studies as his main passion. He also studied economics, partly because he needed a job afterwards. He says the students of that Columbia program were considered the children of Edward Said. [1]

Career

Malik worked at Citibank on Wall Street in New York. He was in a rotational program in trade finance and stayed at the bank for a few years. At Citibank he came to feel that something was amiss. He also wanted to start a custom men's shirting company. [1]

Malik was offered the interim CEO role at a textile spinning mill in Raiwind, Lahore. The mill had closed a few days before he joined it, and he spent about 10 months there. He says a third of Pakistan's cotton crop was destroyed in one year, which pushed up cotton prices, and that a spinning mill is a low-margin, high-volume business. [1]

Drawdown Farm

Malik is the co-founder and ideator of Drawdown Farm. He has crafted an integrated regenerative system, which he calls drawdown farming, in Rahim Yar Khan and the Thal Desert. He says the farmland he works on has some central pivot irrigation systems. [1]

Malik says regenerative agriculture became his obsession once he discovered it. He has visited the Rodale Institute, a working farm in Pennsylvania. He says he went into a spiral of hydroponics around 2018 and 2019. He says his farm saved about 34,000 rupees per acre on its chili crop by relying on beneficial insects. [1]

Views on soil and farming

Malik says Pakistan uses BT cotton, a genetically modified variety, and that an organic farmer had higher yields than a neighbour growing BT cotton. He says Pakistan does not have fertile soil and that Pakistani soils are thought to have about 0.3 to 0.4% organic matter. He says the soils on his farm, pure sand of the Thal Desert, measured 0% organic matter. He says each 1% of organic matter gives an acre the capacity to store 30,000 gallons of water. [1]

Malik says urea is the prime fertilizer used by Pakistani farmers, that Pakistani urea was once three times cheaper than international urea, and that 50 to 70% of applied urea is lost from the soil. He says soil pH on their farms was 8.2 to 8.4, which is extremely high. He also says Pakistan has no molybdenum fertilizer available and that its soils are especially deficient in molybdenum. He cites an Egyptian trial in which 6 milligrams of molybdenum per citrus tree raised yields by 44%. [1]

Malik says organic certification is generally rigid and that the organic transition can take one to three years, depending on earlier chemical use. He says that for every pest killed with a pesticide application, 3,000 beneficial insects are killed. He sees a bigger role for robots in weed control than in insect control. He says Pakistan's yields are far lower than those of Thailand, India and Egypt, and that the average landholding in Pakistan is two or three acres. [1]

Malik says regenerative organic farming trials were done in neighbouring India, and that the trial observers saw a six to eight times increase in productivity. He says the India trial recommended farms of two acres or less, worked by a husband and wife. He cites a calculation that if 50% of global farmland moved to organic agriculture, all the excess carbon in the atmosphere could be sequestered in soils. He says atmospheric carbon is about 420 parts per million today and that mangroves are thought to store 10 times more carbon than terrestrial trees. [1]

Malik says the roots of the Syrian civil war lie partly in climate change. He says the world is living through a great nutrient collapse and cites UC Davis studies showing some grocery oranges have zero vitamin C. He cites a 75% decline in Europe's insect population over about 25 years to 2018 and says biodiversity loss is also called the sixth mass extinction. He says Pakistanis have the largest diabetes population in the world, and he recommends David Montgomery's book Dirt and the Erosion of Civilization. [1]

Views on water

Malik says people consider water a free resource and that flood irrigation is extraordinarily wasteful. He says the government, with World Bank funding, has a generous subsidy for impact sprinklers, and that a mulched area showed 40% additional water savings. He says the government needs metering systems so that water allotments are fair, and that some big farmers take much more water than their allotment. [1]

Malik says Pakistan is a semi-arid country with about 30 days of water storage, which is thought to be very low, while Egypt has about 900 days. He says about 40% of the water cycle for rain on land is driven by the land itself. He calls the 10 billion tree tsunami a brilliant idea and says some farmers have built so much green biomass that they have more cloud cover. He cites a World Bank study that urban trees can cut temperatures by 5 to 8 degrees Celsius. [1]

Views on Pakistan's future

Malik says Pakistan in 2050 could be very different, in a good way. He says he is optimistic and sees more hunger for change in Pakistan than ever. He says Pakistan could become entirely energy independent and can become a regional powerhouse. He also says Pakistan has domestic capital that should be pooled and channelled into investment. [1]

Personal life

Malik took a year off because his father fell ill with cancer. He and his wife stayed in New York until their son was born. [1]

Timeline

2018
Went into a spiral of hydroponics, a period that he says ran around 2018 and 2019[1]

Appearances

DateTitleWhere
2023-08-11 Pakistan doesn't have a water problem. It has a soil problem. Thought Behind Things

Frequently asked questions

What does Taimur Malik do?

Taimur Malik has crafted an integrated regenerative system, which he calls drawdown farming, in Rahim Yar Khan and the Thal Desert. He is the co-founder and ideator of Drawdown Farm.[1]

Where did Taimur Malik study?

Taimur Malik finished high school at City School in Islamabad. He did his undergraduate degree at Columbia University, with Middle Eastern and Islamic studies as his main passion. He also studied economics.[1]

What company did Taimur Malik found?

Taimur Malik is the co-founder and ideator of Drawdown Farm. He works on drawdown farming, an integrated regenerative system, in Rahim Yar Khan and the Thal Desert.[1]

What is Taimur Malik known for?

Taimur Malik is known as the co-founder and ideator of Drawdown Farm. He has crafted the integrated regenerative system he calls drawdown farming. He says regenerative agriculture became his obsession once he discovered it.[1]

References

  1. Pakistan doesn't have a water problem. It has a soil problem. . Thought Behind Things , 2023-08-11.
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  1. He was born in Karachi, as were his parents. I was born in the coastal city of Karachi, as were my parents before me.
  2. His father was a military man. My father was a military man, as was his father before him, as was his father before him.
  3. His paternal grandfather was a navy officer who received a medal from the Quaid. my grandfather, yani my dada, was a navy man and was the first military officer in Pakistan to get a medal from the Quaid after the founding of the new country.
  4. His maternal grandfather was a banker with the National Bank of Pakistan. on my mother's side, uh my grandfather was a banker with the uh National Bank of Pakistan.
  5. He says his family was raised on sacrifice, the common good and the greater good. we were brought up in this milieu of uh sacrifice, the common good, the greater good.
  6. He thinks he has changed schools about 12 times in his life. mera khayal hai maine total koi 12 schools change kiye honge apni zindagi mein
  7. He moved between cities such as Quetta, Multan and Islamabad. ek shehar se dusre kabhi Quetta, kabhi Multan, uh kabhi Islamabad.
  8. He finished high school at City School in Islamabad. High school maine finish kiya Islamabad mein. I was at the City School in Islamabad.
  9. He stayed with family friends in Islamabad to finish his A levels. But phir family friends ke paas reh ke I wanted to finish my A levels here.
  10. He says Islamabad is the Pakistani city he most associates with. agar ek Pakistani shehar hai jisse main really associate karta hoon to woh Islamabad hai.
  11. He was admitted to Columbia University while still in high school. got into Columbia University when I was in high school
  12. He took a year off because his father fell ill with cancer. I took a year off because my uh father unfortunately uh fell ill uh with cancer unfortunately
  13. He did his undergraduate degree at Columbia, with Middle Eastern and Islamic studies as his main passion. I did my undergrad there uh and I studied uh my main passion was Middle Eastern studies, Islamic studies
  14. He also studied economics, partly because he needed a job afterwards. but I also studied economics kyunke after all naukri bhi karni thi.
  15. He says the students of that Columbia program were considered the children of Edward Said. we are all considered the children of Edward Said in that program.
  16. He worked at Citibank on Wall Street in New York. I worked at uh on Wall Street at Citibank in New York in downtown New York.
  17. At Citibank he was in a rotational program in trade finance. I was in a rotational program in trade finance.
  18. He worked at Citibank for a few years. Um and I was there for a few years.
  19. At Citibank he came to feel that something was amiss. So at some point as the years moved on uh you know I felt something was amiss um and that was not being provided by being there.
  20. He wanted to start a custom men's shirting company. I actually wanted to start a men's uh shirting company uh custom.
  21. He was offered the interim CEO role at a textile spinning mill in Raiwind, Lahore. got an opportunity to be the interim CEO of a textile spinning mill in Raiwind in Lahore.
  22. He and his wife stayed in New York until their son was born. We stayed till you know my uh son was born.
  23. The mill had closed a few days before he joined it. maine jaise hi join kiya woh mill uh chand din pehle usse band ho chuki thi
  24. He spent about 10 months at the spinning mill. Not too long. Um, I think maybe about 10 months or so.
  25. He says a third of Pakistan's cotton crop was destroyed that year, which pushed up cotton prices. us saal Pakistan mein cotton crop jo thi woh 1/3 destroy ho chuki thi, jiski wajah se cotton prices bahut zyada badh gayi thin
  26. He says a spinning mill is a low-margin, high-volume business. ek spinning mill basically ek low margin, high volume business hai.
  27. He says Pakistan uses BT cotton, a genetically modified variety. Pakistan mein BT cotton ka istemal kiya jata hai jo ke ek genetically modified cotton hai
  28. He says an organic farmer had higher yields than a neighbour growing BT cotton. ke organic farmer ki yields were higher than his neighbor jo jo BT cotton uga raha tha
  29. He says regenerative agriculture became his obsession once he discovered it. mujhe basically ek, uh, uh, aur, uh, ek bug ne bite kar liya jiska naam regenerative agriculture tha.
  30. He says the roots of the Syrian civil war lie partly in climate change. Syrian civil war, uh, jisne unfortunately us country ko completely decimate kar diya, uski bhi roots actually climate change mein hain.
  31. He cites a calculation that if 50% of global farmland moved to organic agriculture, all the excess carbon in the atmosphere could be sequestered in soils. they calculated that if 50% of global farmland goes to organic agriculture, we can sequester all the excess carbon that's in the atmosphere and put it in the soils
  32. He has visited the Rodale Institute, a working farm in Pennsylvania. It's an institute located in Pennsylvania. It's a working farm over hundreds of acres. I've been there, I've had the privilege to be there as well.
  33. He recommends David Montgomery's book Dirt and the Erosion of Civilization. there's a phenomenal book that I recommend everybody to read or at least peruse and that's by David Montgomery called Dirt and the Erosion of Civilization.
  34. He cites a 75% decline in Europe's insect population over about 25 years to 2018. over the past 25 years till I think 2018, the insect population in Europe had declined by a whopping 75%
  35. He cites UC Davis studies showing some grocery oranges have zero vitamin C. there are studies for example out of UC Davis which showcase that you can get an orange in grocery stores that has zero vitamin C
  36. He says the world is living through a great nutrient collapse. So, we are living through the great nutrient collapse.
  37. He says people consider water a free resource. We consider water as a free resource.
  38. He says flood irrigation is extraordinarily wasteful. Flood irrigation is extraordinarily wasteful because we're we just flood the entire field with an enormous amount of water.
  39. He says the government, with World Bank funding, has a generous subsidy for impact sprinklers. the government of Pakistan with World Bank funding has a very generous subsidy underway for impact sprinkler systems
  40. He says a mulched area showed 40% additional water savings. lekin jo mulched area tha, there was 40% additional savings in water, right?
  41. He says each 1% of organic matter gives an acre the capacity to store 30,000 gallons of water. For every 1% of organic matter that we add in our soils, uh you have the capacity per acre to store 30,000 gallons of water.
  42. He says the soils on his farm, pure sand of the Thal Desert, measured 0% organic matter. which is just pure sand of the Thal Desert, um we found out that our soils were a whopping 0% of organic matter
  43. He says Pakistani soils are thought to have about 0.3 to 0.4% organic matter. Uh but generally in Pakistan now we have it's thought to be about 0.3 to 0.4% organic matter
  44. He has crafted an integrated regenerative system he calls drawdown farming, in Rahim Yar Khan and the Thal Desert. in Rahim Yar Khan and the Thal Desert as well, um where sort of I've crafted what I call an integrated regenerative system that I've called drawdown farming.
  45. Taimur Malik is the co-founder and ideator of Drawdown Farm. Taimur Malik is the Co-Founder and Ideator of Drawdown Farm.
  46. He says organic certification is generally rigid. So the organic certification is generally a pretty rigid one.
  47. He says the organic transition can take one to three years, depending on earlier chemical use. transition time ki which can range from one year to three years depending aap ne kis qisam ke harsh chemicals pehle use kiye hue hain
  48. He says urea is the prime fertilizer used by Pakistani farmers. urea is the prime fertilizer that the Pakistani farmer uses.
  49. He says Pakistani urea was once three times cheaper than international urea. There was a time a few uh couple of years ago Pakistani urea was three times cheaper than the international urea price.
  50. He says 50 to 70% of applied urea is lost from the soil. anywhere from 50 to 70% woh urea zaya hoti hai
  51. He says soil pH on their farms was 8.2 to 8.4, which is extremely high. hamare farms bhi isi tarah the 8.2, 8.3, 8.4. This is extremely high.
  52. He says that for every pest killed with a pesticide application, 3,000 beneficial insects are killed. for every one bad pest that we kill with a pesticide application, we kill 3,000 good guys
  53. He says his farm saved about 34,000 rupees per acre on its chili crop by relying on beneficial insects. we have saved those 34,000 rupees per acre this year for each one of our acres that we've planted this crop because we have good guys
  54. He sees a bigger role for robots in weed control than in insect control. I do see a role for robots actually, but less so for insects, more for weeds.
  55. He calls the 10 billion tree tsunami a brilliant idea. So water can be created, which is why the 10 billion tree tsunami was such a brilliant idea.
  56. He says some farmers have built so much green biomass that they have more cloud cover. They have created so much green biomass that they literally have far more cloud cover
  57. He cites a World Bank study that urban trees can cut temperatures by 5 to 8 degrees Celsius. we have a World Bank study which shows that if you have enough trees in urban areas, it can reduce temperatures by a whopping 5 to 8 degrees Celsius.
  58. He says the government needs metering systems so that water allotments are fair. I think it's essential for the for the government to have metering systems.
  59. He says some big farmers take much more water than their allotment. certain big farmers take a lot more water than is allotted to them
  60. He says the farmland he works on has some central pivot irrigation systems. even on our the farmland that I have the privilege of working at, we we have some central pivot systems as well
  61. He says Pakistan in 2050 could be very different, in a good way. I think 2050 could be um a very different Pakistan in a good way.
  62. He says he is optimistic and sees more hunger for change in Pakistan than ever. I am optimistic I think I think that there is potential there is also now a greater understanding and hunger for change than I have ever seen
  63. He says Pakistan could become entirely energy independent. Pakistan can be entirely energy independent
  64. He says Pakistan can become a regional powerhouse. I think that it can be a regional powerhouse and it can be a contributor to peace and prosperity
  65. He says the average landholding in Pakistan is two or three acres. In Pakistan, the average land holding is two, three acres or so.
  66. He says regenerative organic farming trials were done in neighbouring India. It exists in our neighboring country of India. There were trials done with regenerative organic farming.
  67. He says the trial observers saw a six to eight times increase in productivity. But what they saw was a six to eight time increase in productivity.
  68. He says the India trial recommended farms of two acres or less, worked by a husband and wife. the farmers should not have more than two acres because they said that they said that a husband and wife alone should be able to work the land
  69. He says Pakistan has domestic capital that should be pooled and channelled into investment. I think this country definitely has the capital which should be channeled and pooled in
  70. He says Pakistan does not have fertile soil. the fertile soil thing is completely incorrect. We do not have fertile soil.
  71. He says Pakistan's yields are far lower than those of Thailand, India and Egypt. our yields are so much lower than your Thailand's and India's and Egypt's on pretty much, you know, everything
  72. He says Pakistan has about 30 days of water storage, which is thought to be very low. currently Pakistan has about 30 days of water storage, which is thought to be very low
  73. He says Egypt has about 900 days of water storage. Egypt has 900 days of storage, right?
  74. He says mangroves are thought to store 10 times more carbon than terrestrial trees. They are thought to sequester 10 times more carbon than terrestrial trees.
  75. He says about 40% of the water cycle for rain on land is driven by the land itself. About 60% of the water cycle for water we receive on land is driven by the oceans, but 40% is driven, which is like almost half really, is driven by the land.
  76. He says atmospheric carbon is about 420 parts per million today. which today as things stand is about 420 parts per million in the atmosphere
  77. He says Pakistan is a semi-arid country. in particular countries that are semi-arid, right? Uh, which is unfortunately what we are as well.
  78. He says he went into a spiral of hydroponics around 2018 and 2019. So back in 2018-19 I went into a very bad spiral of hydroponics
  79. He says Pakistan has no molybdenum fertilizer available. And the very sad and deeply sardonic thing is in an agricultural country we don't have a single molybdenum fertilizer available in this country.
  80. He says Pakistan's soils are especially deficient in molybdenum. Pakistan ki soils especially deficient hain bahut saari cheezon mein but molybdenum in particular
  81. He cites an Egyptian trial in which 6 milligrams of molybdenum per citrus tree raised yields by 44%. In Egypt they did a trial where just adding 6 milligrams of molybdenum per citrus tree in a citrus orchard led to a 44% increase in yields
  82. He says biodiversity loss is also called the sixth mass extinction. Ek aur shattering crisis hai jisko sixth mass extinction bhi kaha jaata hai
  83. He says Pakistanis have the largest diabetes population in the world. the largest population with diabetes in the world Pakistanis pe hain