Masroor Ahmad
former World Bank water specialist
Compiled from 1 recorded interview. Every statement below is drawn from the passage cited beside it.
Masroor Ahmad is a water and sanitation specialist who worked at the World Bank until 2016, where his last position was senior water and sanitation specialist in Islamabad. His career has spanned about 31 years. He looks after two projects, one each in Somalia and Nigeria.
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Education
Ahmad graduated as a civil engineer in 1990 from a university in the region that is now Khyber Pakhtunkhwa. He won a Chevening scholarship in 1993, one of 40 people selected in Pakistan. He went to the UK to study for a master's degree, and he did that degree in water environmental management. [1]
Career
Ahmad's first job was as a junior engineer consultant, working with a consortium of firms that included a Japanese firm. He says this first job was in the water sector, which he took by default rather than by design. [1]
He started his development career with GIZ in 1994. He moved from GIZ to UNHCR, then worked for UNICEF, and then at the Asian Development Bank. [1]
Leaving the World Bank
Ahmad later resigned from the World Bank. One reason he left was that he had no ambition to work abroad. He did not see enough career growth for himself at the World Bank. [1]
After leaving, his schedule grew from 9 to 5 to 9 to 9 and then 24/7. He says he has worked double or triple his World Bank workload over the last three or four years. He describes his work since leaving the World Bank as a fruitful and satisfactory journey. [1]
Work in Somalia and Nigeria
Ahmad advises the Government of Somalia on behalf of the World Bank. He says he travelled frequently to remote locations in Somalia and Nigeria for about four years. He says his last visit there was in early March 2020, and work has since been remote. [1]
He says both projects have been extended to 2025. He says issues in the projects were resolved over the past year and a half, and the project is progressing smoothly. He says in-person project meetings have stopped and all work is now virtual. In his view, most people have adjusted to virtual working life. He calls the virtual shift a hard reality, and says no one knows how long it will last. [1]
Ahmad says international partners arrive with their own theory of change, drawn from global experience. He says the World Bank coined the term build back better after the 2006 earthquake in Pakistan. [1]
Views on water scarcity
Ahmad says water is becoming a scarcer commodity across the globe, and that urbanization and population growth are the biggest reasons for water scarcity. He says groundwater is being depleted and that water is not being recharged at the rate it is extracted. He adds that groundwater is pumped without control, licensing or permission, by government and private sector alike. [1]
He says water is scarce in the Balochistan belt and the southern KP belt, while central Punjab and central KP have plenty of water. He says Pakistan's per capita water availability will fall below 800 cubic metres by 2025. He says the figure is currently around 1,000 cubic metres. [1]
Ahmad says no specific research has been done on Pakistan's situation. He says no one has verified the authenticity of those water numbers. In his account, water figures survive as institutional memory, with no record or system that can provide the numbers. He also says many institutions with a research mandate do not do research. [1]
Water supply and use
Ahmad says water delivery in Islamabad has dropped to two or four hours a day. He says Islamabad has two water sources, including the Khanpur dam. He says Rawalpindi's water comes from the Rawal dam. [1]
He says Lahore's water comes from groundwater, though the city lies beside a canal and the Ravi. He says water pumped from the ground is much more expensive to extract. In his view, surface water could be delivered relatively cheaply, but little work is done on it. He says a raw water reservoir, to be filled with water taken from a canal, is still at the planning stage and might take three or four years. [1]
Ahmad says the real need is behavioural change among citizens. He says without financial regulation, individuals have no incentive to save water, and that households pay a flat water rate whatever they use. He describes a Public Health Engineering Department tube-well scheme for 300 to 400 households that its community runs. [1]
Agriculture and technology
Ahmad says about 80 to 90 percent of Pakistan's water goes to agriculture. He says Pakistan's per-acre farm productivity is far below China's and Israel's. He says land once farmed for wheat has been taken over by urban colonies. [1]
He says some technologies cut water use by up to 95 percent while keeping production high. He says Punjab, and to a large extent Khyber Pakhtunkhwa, have integrated the private sector into some projects for farmers. [1]
Ahmad says membrane technology can now treat seawater and brackish water for supply. He says treating brackish water was a very expensive concept 15 to 20 years ago, and that technology has since lowered the cost of this treatment. He says public water and sanitation institutions have not integrated newer technology and research. [1]
Views on governance and policy
Ahmad says that under the 1973 constitution, water and sanitation is a provincial subject. He says national frameworks and provincial policies began only after 2006 or 2009. He says Balochistan has no water policy and no sanitation policy, while Punjab has a water policy but no sanitation policy. He says a policy typically runs for 10 to 15 years and is a living document. [1]
He says Pakistani institutions lack a concept of accountability, and that accountability in Pakistan usually means an MD or CEO is transferred elsewhere. He says the Government of KP's hybrid corporate governance model did not hold its appointed CEOs accountable this way. In his view, an institution's direction depends on its head, who may let it run on momentum. [1]
Ahmad says Pakistan has no sector regulator. He says many institutions work in firefighting mode, focused on getting through the day. He also says inter-provincial water issues involve politics and a trust deficit. [1]
Views on sanitation
Ahmad says the sanitation situation is worse than the water situation. He says urban access to sanitation is not that bad, with about 80 percent or more of the urban population having access to a latrine. He says Karachi's two or three wastewater treatment plants run at 20 to 30 percent efficiency. He says Islamabad's one treatment plant is closed, and Rawalpindi and Lahore have none. [1]
He says Pakistan ranked third among the largest open defecation countries, after India and Indonesia. He says around 56 percent of India's population, about 800 million people, regularly practised open defecation. He says the Community Led Total Sanitation movement began in Bangladesh in the mid-1990s. [1]
Ahmad says people washed their hands during COVID more than in the previous 47 years. He lists diarrhoea, dysentery and typhoid among the illnesses that follow. He says the development sector focuses on outputs rather than outcomes. [1]
He says sanitation is mainly the job of government and institutions, though individuals have a part. He says citizens and institutions each push responsibility onto the other. He says development partners, including IFIs and international NGOs, have been working a lot. He says he must start with himself rather than wait for others to act. [1]
Advice on careers
Ahmad advises that a bachelor's degree is not the end of a career. He advises graduates to specialise in one or two sectors. He says the trend of going into the government sector has largely changed in recent years. He advises people not to get fixated on one career and to go with the opportunities, and advises people who feel unsatisfied in their work to switch careers. [1]
Timeline
Appearances
| Date | Title | Where |
|---|---|---|
| 2021-04-12 | Pakistan's water crisis runs deeper than scarcity | Thought Behind Things |
Frequently asked questions
Who is Masroor Ahmad?
Masroor Ahmad is a water and sanitation specialist. He worked at the World Bank until 2016, where his last position was senior water and sanitation specialist in Islamabad. He says his career has spanned about 31 years.[1]
What does Masroor Ahmad do?
Masroor Ahmad looks after two projects, one each in Somalia and Nigeria. He advises the Government of Somalia on behalf of the World Bank.[1]
Where did Masroor Ahmad study?
Masroor Ahmad graduated as a civil engineer in 1990 from a university in the region that is now Khyber Pakhtunkhwa. He won a Chevening scholarship in 1993 and went to the UK to study for a master's degree. He did that master's degree in water environmental management.[1]
Where did Masroor Ahmad work before the World Bank?
Masroor Ahmad started his development career with GIZ in 1994. He moved from GIZ to UNHCR, then worked for UNICEF and the Asian Development Bank.[1]
What was Masroor Ahmad's role at the World Bank?
Masroor Ahmad's last position at the World Bank was senior water and sanitation specialist in Islamabad. He worked there until 2016 and then resigned.[1]
Why did Masroor Ahmad leave the World Bank?
Masroor Ahmad resigned from the World Bank. One reason he left was that he had no ambition to work abroad. He also did not see enough career growth for himself at the World Bank.[1]
What is Masroor Ahmad's view on water scarcity?
Masroor Ahmad says water is becoming a scarcer commodity across the globe. He says urbanization and population growth are the biggest reasons for water scarcity. He also says groundwater is being depleted and is not recharged at the rate it is extracted.[1]
References
- Pakistan's water crisis runs deeper than scarcity . Thought Behind Things , 2021-04-12.
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- He graduated as a civil engineer in 1990 from a university in the region that is now Khyber Pakhtunkhwa.
1990 mein I graduated as a civil engineer from UET NWFP which is now Khyber Pakhtunkhwa.
- He went to the UK to study for a master's degree.
the turning point was me going to UK for a master's degree
- He won a Chevening scholarship in 1993, one of 40 people selected in Pakistan.
That was a Chevening scholarship. I applied for that. I was one of the luckiest who got selected 40 out of entire Pakistan. That was 1993.
- He did a master's degree in water environmental management.
Main gaya wahan pe, I did my masters in water environmental management.
- His first job was as a junior engineer consultant, working with a consortium of firms that included a Japanese firm.
that was in as a consultant junior engineer working with the consortium of Pakistan international firms and Japanese firm including American Japanese firm.
- He says his first job was in the water sector, which he took by default rather than by design.
So my first job luckily, fortunately or maybe unfortunately was in water sector. This was not by design, by default.
- He started his development career with GIZ in 1994.
I started working with GIZ 1994.
- He moved from GIZ to UNHCR.
GIZ ke baad phir UNHCR
- He then worked for UNICEF.
uske baad phir UNICEF
- He then worked at the Asian Development Bank.
uske baad Asian Development Bank
- He then joined the World Bank, where he worked 9 to 5 until 2016.
uske baad Asian Development Bank, then World Bank. And I was working 9 to 5 till 2016.
- His last position at the World Bank was senior water and sanitation specialist in Islamabad.
my last position was senior water and sanitation specialist in World Bank Islamabad
- He resigned from the World Bank after working there until 2016.
And I was working 9 to 5 till 2016. Right. And my last position was senior water and sanitation specialist in World Bank Islamabad. Then I decided to resign.
- One reason he left was that he had no ambition to work abroad.
Ek toh yeh tha ki I had no ambitions of going abroad.
- He did not see enough career growth for himself at the World Bank.
career growth mujhe itni nazar aa nahi rahi thi wahan pe
- After leaving the World Bank, his schedule grew from 9 to 5 to 9 to 9 and then 24/7.
uske baad jo 9 to 5 thi woh 9 to 9 aur 9 to 24/7 mein convert ho gayi
- He says he has worked double or triple his World Bank workload over the last three or four years.
Last three, four years this happened, I probably worked double or triple than I was working in in in World Bank.
- He describes his work since leaving the World Bank as a fruitful and satisfactory journey.
but Alhamdulillah it's a very fruitful and satisfactory journey also.
- He says his career has spanned about 31 years.
Aur it's a long journey as you have said that it's been almost 31 plus years.
- He looks after two projects, one each in Somalia and Nigeria.
I am looking after two projects, one one each in Somalia and Nigeria
- He advises the Government of Somalia on behalf of the World Bank.
main jo hai woh Government of Somalia ko on behalf of World Bank advising
- He says he travelled frequently to remote locations in Somalia and Nigeria for about four years.
pichle takreeban 4 saalon se I have been frequently traveling to various even the remotest locations of both Somalia as well as Nigeria
- He says his last visit there was in early March 2020, and work has since been remote.
last time I was there in early March 2020. Toh phir woh remotely chal raha hai sara ka sara
- He says the World Bank coined the term build back better after the 2006 earthquake in Pakistan.
ek relatively new term jo humne jab World Bank ne coin ki thi 2006 ke earthquake ke baad Pakistan mein woh thi build back better
- He says both projects have been extended to 2025.
Toh dono ki extension ho gayi hai 2025 tak.
- He says issues in the projects were resolved over the past year and a half, and the project is progressing smoothly.
Alhamdulillah pichle dedh saalon se woh issues resolve ho gaye hain toh project jo hai woh smoothly progress kar raha hai.
- He says international partners arrive with their own theory of change, drawn from global experience.
they bring their own theory of change jo ki global experience unko leke aate hain
- He says water is becoming a scarcer commodity across the globe.
water is becoming more and more scarce commodity across the globe
- He says urbanization and population growth are the biggest reasons for water scarcity.
Sabse bada wajah usmein yahi hai ki aapki urbanization kaafi agar Pakistan ke context mein bhi dekhein toh urbanization bhi ho rahi hai uske saath saath aapki jo growth hai yani ki abadi mein izafa jo hai woh bhi ho raha hai.
- He says groundwater is being depleted.
aapka groundwater jo hai usmein bhi depletion bhi aa rahi hai, deplete ho raha hai
- He says groundwater is pumped without control, licensing or permission, by government and private sector alike.
without any control, without any licensing, without any permission, chahe woh government kar rahi ho, chahe woh private sector kar raha ho
- He says water is scarce in the Balochistan belt and the southern KP belt.
Aap Pakistan mein dekh lein aap ki aap Balochistan ki belt ko dekh lein ya KP ki southern belt ko dekh lein
- He says central Punjab and central KP have plenty of water.
Lekin ab aap central area mein aa jayein chahe woh Punjab ka central area ho, chahe woh KP ka central area ho, wahan pe paani bahut zyada hai.
- He says Pakistan's per capita water availability will fall below 800 cubic metres by 2025.
2025 tak Pakistan mein jo hai woh water per capita availability jo hai woh 800 cubic meter se niche chali jayegi
- He says per capita water availability is currently around 1,000 cubic metres.
Abhi 1000 aur 1100 ke beech mein hai ya 1000 ke aas paas hai.
- He says no specific research has been done on Pakistan's situation.
unfortunately as such koi khas research Pakistan mein Pakistan ke halaat ko dekhte hue ki nahi gayi hai abhi tak
- He says no one has verified the authenticity of those water numbers.
Un numbers ki authenticity, theek hai, un number ki verification jo kisi ke paas bhi nahi hai.
- He says water figures survive as institutional memory, with no record or system that can provide the numbers.
woh ek institutional memory jo chalti aa rahi hai, kahin pe record aisa hai nahi, koi system aisa bana hua nahi hai jo aapko numbers bata sake
- He says many institutions with a research mandate do not do research.
Hamare yahan bahut saare institutions jo hain jo ki jinka even mandate hai research ka woh bhi nahi kar rahe
- He says inter-provincial water issues involve politics and a trust deficit.
inter-provincial is level ke aa jaate hain jahan pe politics bhi hoti hai, kuch trust deficit bhi hai
- He says many institutions work in firefighting mode, focused on getting through the day.
Idare jo hain woh more or less ek qisam se fire fighting ke mode mein hain ki bas humne aaj ka din guzarna hai
- He says national frameworks and provincial policies began only after 2006 or 2009.
2006 ya 2009 ke baad for the very first time we started developing national framework and provincial policies
- He says Balochistan has no water policy and no sanitation policy.
Balochistan jo hai uski koi water ki as such policy nahi hai, sanitation ki koi policy nahi hai
- He says Punjab has a water policy but no sanitation policy.
Punjab mein water ki policy hai, sanitation ki policy nahi hai
- He says under the 1973 constitution, water and sanitation is a provincial subject.
1973 ke constitution ke tehat water and sanitation is a provincial subject
- He says a policy typically runs for 10 to 15 years and is a living document.
policy ka span jo hai woh 10 saal hai, 15 saal hai. Agli government aati hai, policy is a living document
- He says Pakistani institutions lack a concept of accountability.
Unfortunately hamare yahan accountability ka concept nahi hai.
- He says accountability in Pakistan usually means an MD or CEO is transferred elsewhere.
Ab accountability jo hai woh zyada se zyada yeh hoti hai ke aapko ek MD ya aapko ek CEO se utha ke unhone transfer kar diya kahin aur laga diya aapko
- He says the Government of KP's hybrid corporate governance model did not hold its appointed CEOs accountable this way.
government of KP ne kuch ek hybrid model leke aaye corporate governance ka, unhone jo apne CEOs aake lagaye idaron ke, unko is tarah se accountable nahi thehraya
- He says an institution's direction depends on its head, who may let it run on momentum.
Toh it all depend on the head of the institution ke woh idare ko is direction mein leke jana chahta hai, upar leke jana chahta hai ya woh jo uska momentum us pe chhod de, idara khud hi chalta rahega aur woh enjoy karta rahega
- He says the real need is behavioural change among citizens.
Lekin jo asal cheez hai woh hai aapki behavioral change ki.
- He says without financial regulation, individuals have no incentive to save water.
agar aap usko financially regulate nahi karenge toh unfortunately kisi individual ke paas koi incentive hai nahi
- He says households pay a flat water rate whatever they use.
chahe aapka ek ghar ka ek washroom hai ya teen washroom hain toh aapka bill jo hai woh flat rate pe aayega
- He describes a Public Health Engineering Department tube-well scheme for 300 to 400 households that its community runs.
Public Health Engineering Department ne, 300-400 gharon pe mushtamil ek tube well based water supply scheme hai. Woh community khud chala rahi hai aur meri nazar mein woh community bade bade idaron se behtar chala rahi hai
- He says water delivery in Islamabad has dropped to two or four hours a day.
by and large har jagah Islamabad mein dekh lein aap ke pehle pani aapke paas kitna wafar miqdar mein hua karta tha, phir ahista ahista karke aapki jo tadaad hai ya ghanton ki jo pani ki delivery hai woh do char ghante per day reh gayi hai
- He says Rawalpindi's water comes from the Rawal dam.
Rawalpindi mein jo hai woh Rawal dam se pani jo hai woh jata hai
- He says Islamabad has two water sources, including the Khanpur dam.
Islamabad mein fortunately do sources hain, aapko pani aata hai, Khanpur dam se pani aata hai
- He says water pumped from the ground is much more expensive to extract.
jo pani aap zameen se nikalte hain, that is much more expensive
- He says surface water could be delivered relatively cheaply, but little work is done on it.
Uske muqable mein surface water jo hai aapka woh aap relatively cheap us mein pahuncha sakte hain lekin uske upar kaam nahi ho raha
- He says Lahore's water comes from groundwater, though the city lies beside a canal and the Ravi.
Ground water. Zameen se pani nikalta hai. Lahore toh pura nehar ke saath hai aur woh Ravi ke saath hai
- He says a raw water reservoir, to be filled with water taken from a canal, is still at the planning stage and might take three or four years.
jo BRB canal hai uske kuch pani ko le jaake ek raw water reservoir banayenge, us pe usko store karenge, phir treat karenge aur phir woh bachayenge and that might take good three four years kyunki abhi woh still planning stage mein hai
- He says the sanitation situation is worse than the water situation.
main to yeh kahunga ke water ki situation itni buri nahi hai jitni sanitation ki situation buri hai
- He says the Community Led Total Sanitation movement began in Bangladesh in the mid-1990s.
jo ke Bangladesh mein chali thi back in mid-90s, usay kehte hain CLTS, Community Led Total Sanitation
- He says the development sector focuses on outputs rather than outcomes.
Unfortunately hamare yahan development sector mein focus is always on the output.
- He says Pakistan ranked third among the largest open defecation countries, after India and Indonesia.
Pakistan jo hai us mein hum, uh, third, uh, largest open defecation country thay after, uh, India and Indonesia
- He says around 56 percent of India's population, about 800 million people, regularly practised open defecation.
to good 56%, yani ke 800 million log jo thay, woh India mein open defecation regularly practice karte thay
- He says urban access to sanitation is not that bad.
urban ilaqon mein situation is not that bad in terms of, uh, isay kehna chahiye ke access to sanitation
- He says about 80 percent or more of the urban population has access to a latrine.
Urban sanitation mein hamare yahan takreeban 80 plus percent population jo hai un ke paas access hai latrine ki.
- He says Karachi's two or three wastewater treatment plants run at 20 to 30 percent efficiency.
probably Karachi is the only city jis mein ke do se teen treatment plant jo hain waste water ke woh abhi 20 se 30 percent efficiency pe chal rahe hain
- He says Islamabad's one treatment plant is closed, and Rawalpindi and Lahore have none.
Islamabad mein ek tha woh bhi band hua hua hai, theek hai. Pindi mein koi nahi hai, Lahore mein koi nahi hai.
- He says people washed their hands during COVID more than in the previous 47 years.
logon ne pichle ek saal mein jitne hath dhoye na COVID ki wajah se, pichle 47 saalon mein nahi dhoye honge
- He lists diarrhoea, dysentery and typhoid among the illnesses that follow.
jo pani jin ko de rahi hain un ke sath kya hota hai, diarrhea, dysentery aur us ke baad typhoid and so on
- He says sanitation is mainly the job of government and institutions, though individuals have a part.
Sanitation mein to yeh hai ke sanitation mein to aap ne thora bahut khud karna hai lekin largely government ne karna hai, institution ne karna hai
- He says citizens and institutions each push responsibility onto the other.
dono side jo hain woh ek dusre ke upar daal rahi hain ke tum karoge to theek ho jayega, tum bhi nahi karte to main bhi nahi karta
- He says development partners, including IFIs and international NGOs, have been working a lot.
development partners jo hain, chahe woh IFIs ki shakal mein hon, chahe woh hamare jo mukhtalif international NGOs hon, they have been working a lot
- He says he must start with himself rather than wait for others to act.
We have to start with, I have to start with myself.
- He advises that a bachelor's degree is not the end of a career.
bachelor is not the end of your career. Matlab you should definitely pursue a career in at least in one one sector
- He advises graduates to specialise in one or two sectors.
specialize karein kisi ek ya do sector mein
- He says the trend of going into the government sector has largely changed in recent years.
jo us waqt trend tha ke government sector mein jaane ka tha. Lekin abhi pichle chand salon mein yeh trend kafi had tak change ho gaya hai.
- He advises people not to get fixated on one career and to go with the opportunities.
don't get fixated, theek hai. Uh, go with the opportunities
- He advises people who feel unsatisfied in their work to switch careers.
aap mentally satisfied nahi hain, to switch over and Allah ki zaat pe bharosa karein aur kisi aur career ki taraf jayein
- He says about 80 to 90 percent of Pakistan's water goes to agriculture.
Pakistan is probably ek aisa country hai jahan pe ke 80% to 90% pani jo hai woh agriculture mein use hota hai
- He says Pakistan's per-acre farm productivity is far below China's and Israel's.
hamari per acre productivity us tarah ki nahi hai, bilkul bhi nahi hai, matlab China ki ya even Israel ki
- He says land once farmed for wheat has been taken over by urban colonies.
jahan gandum kasht hoti thi ya jahan aur faslein kasht hoti thi, us jagah pe hamari urbanization ho gayi hai, colonies ban gayi hain
- He says some technologies cut water use by up to 95 percent while keeping production high.
there are technologies in the world jo ke up to 95% reduction in water ke tehat bhi ke bawajood aapke you know production badi achi rakhti hain
- He says Punjab, and to a large extent Khyber Pakhtunkhwa, have integrated the private sector into some projects for farmers.
Jaise thode arse pehle Punjab mein aur abhi kaafi had tak KP mein bhi yahi hai ke private sector ko unhone integrate kiya hai aur kisanon ko kuch do teen project jo hain chal rahe hain
- He says membrane technology can now treat seawater and brackish water for supply.
aapke paas aise membranes aa gayi hain jis mein ke aap samandar ka pani jo hai usko bhi aap treat karke laga sakte hain
- He says treating brackish water was a very expensive concept 15 to 20 years ago.
Ab is se koi 15-20 saal pehle concept toh tha yeh technology ke zariye treat karna lekin that was a very expensive concept
- He says technology has since lowered the cost of this treatment.
ab technology ki wajah se cost jo hai woh kam ho gayi hai
- He says public water and sanitation institutions have not integrated newer technology and research.
unfortunately public sector mein jo hamare water and sanitation ke idare hain woh us technology ko, us research ko, us cutting knowledge ko jo hai woh integrate nahi kar rahe
- He says in-person project meetings have stopped and all work is now virtual.
Toh abhi pichle ek saal se yeh hai ki woh cheez khatam ho gayi bilkul. It's all virtual.
- He says most people have adjusted to virtual working life.
So but good thing is that I think majority of us have adjusted to this life.
- He calls the virtual shift a hard reality, and says no one knows how long it will last.
it's a hard reality and nobody knows ki how long this will prevail
- He says water is not being recharged at the rate it is extracted.
us tarah se recharge nahi ho raha jis tarah se extraction ho rahi hai pani ki
- He says Pakistan has no sector regulator.
Unfortunately hamare yahan Pakistan mein koi sector regulator hai hi nahi.